{"id":10948,"date":"2011-03-28T00:00:22","date_gmt":"2011-03-27T22:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/?p=10948"},"modified":"2011-03-20T03:00:08","modified_gmt":"2011-03-20T02:00:08","slug":"playboy-interview-helen-thomas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/2011\/03\/playboy-interview-helen-thomas\/","title":{"rendered":"Playboy Interview: Helen Thomas"},"content":{"rendered":"

April 2011 Issue<\/em><\/p>\n

For more than half a century, Helen Thomas owned the most valuable piece of real estate in the White House briefing room. Her front-row seat at presidential press conferences and its attendant benefits\u2014she was often called on first and usually ended the gatherings with a signature \u201cThank you, Mr. President\u201d\u2014made her the unofficial dean of the White House press corps. Her bold, irksome questions were like hot pokers to 10 U.S. presidents, and her fearless approach rattled press secretaries and set a tone for generations of straight-shooting, badgering reporters.<\/p>\n

Last summer, still working full-time at 89, she saw her decades-long career fall to pieces after a two-minute video clip went viral on YouTube. A Long Island rabbi and blogger visiting the White House turned his camera on Thomas on May 27 and asked for \u201cany comments on Israel.\u201d Thomas instantly shot back, \u201cTell them to get the hell out of Palestine,\u201d adding that the Jews \u201ccan go home\u201d to \u201cPoland, Germany and America and everywhere else.\u201d Endless media outrage ensued, prompting Thomas to issue an apology and abruptly \u201cresign\u201d from Hearst Newspapers on June 7. Her speaking agency dropped her, journalism schools and organizations rescinded awards named in her honor and she lost that prized seat in the White House.<\/p>\n

Thomas\u2019s comments were not a complete shock to those who follow her. In recent years she practically scolded presidents and their gatekeepers for favoring Israel. She had previously asked the White House about Israel\u2019s \u201csecret\u201d nuclear arsenal and why President Obama did not condemn last May\u2019s Israeli attacks on the aid flotilla headed for Gaza.<\/p>\n

Born August 4, 1920, Thomas herself is of Arab descent. She was the seventh of nine children born in Winchester, Kentucky to Syrian-born emigrants from Tripoli, Lebanon. Her family soon moved to Detroit, where her father ran a grocery store even though he couldn\u2019t read or write in English. News was often a topic around the house, and after college Thomas landed a job as a girl Friday at a Washington, D.C. newspaper toward the end of World War II. That led her to the copy desk and a cub reporter position and eventually to a job covering government bureaucracy for the wire service United Press International. She remained at UPI for much of her career. As White House correspondent from the Kennedy administration on, Thomas had unusual prominence despite standing just under five feet tall.<\/p>\n

Famously direct, Thomas was especially forceful with George W. Bush, whom she once called \u201cthe worst president in American history.\u201d She was relentless about getting him to explain his decision to go to war in Iraq, asking over and over, \u201cWhat was your real reason? What was it? Why did you go to war?\u201d His minions promptly moved Thomas to the back row of the briefing room.<\/p>\n

Thomas now writes a column for the Falls Church News-Press in Virginia. She still wakes early to read various newspapers delivered to her door, and she\u2019s still out many nights talking politics at favorite D.C. haunts.<\/p>\n

Contributing Editor David Hochman<\/strong> got the idea to call Thomas to see if she wanted to talk. \u201cShe picked up the phone and said yes immediately,\u201d he says. \u201cI think she really appreciated the opportunity to do a long-format Q&A to express her side of what happened.\u201d<\/p>\n

Based in Los Angeles, Hochman flew to Washington to meet Thomas at her apartment near Dupont Circle. They also broke bread at her favorite Palestinian restaurant. \u201cI was curious whether I\u2019d find the ranting woman from the YouTube video,\u201d Hochman says. \u201cShe turned out to be a person in full possession of her faculties and impressively articulate. Mostly she was the Thomas the public has known forever: feisty, passionate and not afraid to speak up.\u201d Does Hochman, who is Jewish, believe Thomas is an anti-Semite? \u201cI\u2019ll let the reader decide. But I did think it was amusing when she presented a plate of ham sandwiches and then said, \u2018Oh, I hope I haven\u2019t served the wrong thing.\u2019\u2009\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> So is this how you pictured retirement?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I\u2019m not retired! I was fired. In fact, I\u2019ll die with my boots on. I\u2019m still writing and I\u2019ll continue to write and ask hard questions. I will never bow out of journalism.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Take us back to the White House courtyard on May 27 when Rabbi David Nesenoff pointed his camera at you and asked for your comments on Israel.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> He pulled that thing out like a jackknife. I mean, he started out very nice, introducing me to these two young boys who wanted to be in journalism. He said, \u201cGot any advice? Go for it.\u201d I didn\u2019t know it was Jewish Heritage Month, which is why he was at the White House and also why he asked \u201cSo what do you think of Israel?\u201d That\u2019s when I said, \u201cThey should get the hell out of Palestine.\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Did you realize how controversial those words were as you spoke them?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I knew I\u2019d hit the third rail. You cannot say anything about Israel in this country. But I\u2019ve lived with this cause for many years. Everybody knows my feelings that the Palestinians have been shortchanged in every way. Sure, the Israelis have a right to exist\u2014but where they were born, not to come and take someone else\u2019s home. I\u2019ve had it up to here with the violations against the Palestinians. Why shouldn\u2019t I say it? I knew exactly what I was doing\u2014I was going for broke. I had reached the point of no return. You finally get fed up.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What was life like in the immediate aftermath as millions started viewing the video on YouTube?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I went into self-imposed house arrest for two weeks. It was a case of \u201cknow thyself.\u201d Isn\u2019t that what Socrates said? I wanted to see if I was remorseful\u2014and I wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Did the phone ring off the hook?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> No. Nobody called. But I still have some friends in the White House press pool, who reached out to me. I understand they formed Jews for Helen Thomas at one point.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I also heard from Jimmy Carter. He called a few weeks later.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> He did? What did he say?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Basically he was sympathetic. He talked about the Israelis in the Middle East, the violations. It was very nice of him to call, but I don\u2019t want to get him into trouble.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> His reaction certainly wasn\u2019t typical.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> No. Every columnist and commentator jumped on me immediately as anti-Semitic. Nobody asked me to explain myself. Nobody said, \u201cWhat did you really mean?\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What did you really mean?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, there\u2019s no understanding of the Palestinians at all. I mean, they\u2019re living there and these people want to come and take their homes and land and water and kill their children and kill them. How many are still under arrest in Israel\u2014never been charged, never been tried, never been convicted? Thousands. Why? Meanwhile, we keep giving Israel everything. Our government bribes the Israelis by saying, \u201cPlease come to the [negotiating] table and we\u2019ll give you this and we\u2019ll give you that.\u201d Obama\u2019s last offer to the Israelis was $22\u00a0billion in new fighter planes [Editor\u2019s note: The offer was actually just under $3 billion<\/em>], a veto at the UN for anything pro-Arab or pro-Palestinian and a three-month freeze on the colonization and settlers. I mean, what is this? They gave away the store, just as Reagan and every other president did. Why do you have to bribe people to do the right thing? I don\u2019t want my government bribing anybody. I want them demanding. Stop all this aid to Israel when they\u2019re killing people!<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> It was your follow-up comment, when you said the Jews should go back to Poland, Germany and America, that really infuriated people.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, that immediately evoked the concentration camps. What I meant was they should stay where they are because they\u2019re not being persecuted\u2014not since World War II, not since 1945. If they were, we sure would hear about it. Instead, they initiated the Jackson-Vanik law, which said the U.S. would not trade with Russia unless it allowed unlimited Jewish emigration. But it was not immigration to the United States, which would have been fine with me. It was to go to Palestine and uproot these people, throw them out of their homes, which they have done through several wars. That\u2019s not fair. I want people to understand why the Palestinians are upset. They are incarcerated and living in an open prison. I say to the Israelis, \u201cGet out of people\u2019s homes!\u201d It\u2019s unacceptable to have soldiers knocking on a door at three in the morning and saying, \u201cThis is my home.\u201d And forcing people out of homes they\u2019ve lived in for centuries? What is this? How can anybody accept it? I mean, Jewish-only roads? Would anyone tolerate something like that in America? White-only roads?
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> You mean Israeli-only roads, not Jewish only, right? [Editor\u2019s note: Israel closes certain roads to Palestinians, but roads are open to all Israeli citizens and to other nationals, regardless of religious background.<\/em>]<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Israeli-only roads, okay. But it\u2019s more than semantics because the Palestinians are deprived of owning these roads. This is their land. I\u2019m sorry, but we\u2019re talking about foreigners who came and said, \u201cGod gave this land to us.\u201d [Former Israeli prime minister \u00adYitzhak] Rabin said, \u201cWhere\u2019s the deed?\u201d I mean, come on! Do you know that an Arab Palestinian trying to go home to see his mother has to go through 10 checkpoints and then is held there, while an American tourist can go through right like that? The Palestinian people have to carry their kids to hospitals and are not allowed to drive cars and so forth. What is this? No American Jew would tolerate that sort of treatment here against blacks or anyone else. Why do they allow it over there? And why do they send my American tax dollars to perpetuate it?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you acknowledge that some Palestinian behavior over the years, including hijacking and the use of suicide bombers, has been wrong and has added to the problem?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> In an ideal world passive resistance and world disarmament would be great. Unfortunately we don\u2019t live in that world. Of course I don\u2019t condone any violence against anyone. But who wouldn\u2019t fight for their country? What would any American do if their land was being taken? Remember Pearl Harbor. The Palestinian violence is to protect what little remains of Palestine. The suicide bombers act out of despair and desperation. Three generations of Palestinians have been forced out of their homes\u2014by Israelis\u2014and into refugee camps. And the Israelis are still bulldozing Palestinians\u2019 homes in East Jerusalem. Remember, Menachem Begin invented terrorism as his MO\u2014and bragged about it in his first book. That\u2019s how Israel was created, aided and abetted by U.S. money and arms. To annex and usurp an occupied people\u2019s country is illegal under international law. The Israelis know that, but their superior military force has always prevailed against the indigenous people.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What\u2019s your reaction to the changes sweeping through the Arab world as throngs of demonstrators take to the streets across the region?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I love the new revolutionary spirit in the Middle East and North Africa. The power of the people is removing ruthless dictators in Tunisia and Egypt\u2014and that\u2019s only the beginning. There is no stopping this free new movement. The Arab world is waking up to the possibilities of democratic life and freedom for its people, and I am happy to see this happening in my lifetime.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> Do you have a personal antipathy toward Jews themselves?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> No. I think they\u2019re wonderful people. They had to have the most depth. They were leaders in civil rights. They\u2019ve always had the heart for others but not for Arabs, for some reason. I\u2019m not anti-Jewish; I\u2019m anti-Zionist. I am anti Israel taking what doesn\u2019t belong to it. If you have a home and you\u2019re kicked out of that home, you don\u2019t come and kick someone else out. Anti-Semite? The Israelis are not even Semites! They\u2019re Europeans, and they\u2019ve come from somewhere else. But even if they were Semites, they would still have no right to usurp other people\u2019s land. There are some Israelis with a conscience and a big heart, but unfortunately they are too few.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> In the wake of your anti-Israel comments, a blogger from The \u00adAtlantic<\/em> argued there\u2019s really no distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. He wrote, \u201cThomas was fired for saying that the Jews of Israel should move to Europe, where their relatives had been slaughtered in the most devastating act of genocide in history. She believes that once the Jews are evacuated from their ancestral homeland, the world\u2019s only Jewish country should be replaced by what would be the world\u2019s 23rd Arab country. She believes that Palestinians deserve a country of their own but that the Jews are undeserving of a nation-state in their homeland, which has had a continuous Jewish presence for 3,000 years.\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> [Interrupts<\/em>] Did a Jew write this? [Editor\u2019s note: The writer is Jeffrey Goldberg.<\/em>]<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> \u201c\u2026and has been the location of two previous Jewish states. This sounds like a very anti-Jewish position to me, not merely an anti-Zionist position.\u201d<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> This is a rotten piece. I mean it\u2019s absolutely biased and totally\u2014who are these people? Why do they think they\u2019re so deserving? The slaughter of Jews stopped with World War II. I had two brothers and many relatives who fought in that war against Hitler. We believed in it. Every American family was in that fight. But they were liberated since then. And yet they carry on the victimization. American people do not know that the Israeli lobbyists have intimidated them into believing every Jew is a persecuted victim forever\u2014while they are victimizing Palestinians.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Let\u2019s get to something else you said more recently. In a speech in Detroit last December, you told an Arab group, \u201cWe are owned by the propagandists against the Arabs. There\u2019s no question about that. Congress, the White House and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question, in my opinion. They put their money where their mouth is. We\u2019re being pushed into a wrong direction in every way.\u201d Do you stand by that statement?
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\nTHOMAS: <\/strong><\/strong>Yes, I do. I know it was horrendous, but I know it\u2019s true. Tell me it\u2019s not true and I\u2019ll be happy to be contradicted. I\u2019m just saying they\u2019re using their power, and they have power in every direction.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> That stereotype of Jewish control has been around for more than a century. Do you actually think there\u2019s a secret Jewish conspiracy at work in this country?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Not a secret. It\u2019s very open. What do you mean secret?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Well, for instance, explain the connection between Hollywood and what\u2019s happening with the Palestinians.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Power over the White House, power over Congress.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> By way of contributions?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There\u2019s total control.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Who are you thinking about specifically? Who are the Jews with the most influence?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I\u2019m not going to name names. What, am I going to name the Ponzi guy on Wall Street [Bernard Madoff] or the others? No.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> Then how do you make the claim that Jews are running the country?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I want you to look at the Congress that just came in. Do you think [New York Democratic senator Charles] Schumer and Lehtinen\u2014whatever her name is\u2014in Florida [Republican representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a strong supporter of Israel] are going to be pro-Arab? No. But they\u2019re going to be very influential. Eric Cantor, the majority leader of the Republicans, do you think he\u2019s going to be for the Arabs? Hell no! I\u2019m telling you, you cannot get 330 votes in Congress for anything that\u2019s pro-Arab. Nothing. If you\u2019re not in, you\u2019re eased out, just as Senator William Fulbright was in the 1960s [after claiming that millions of tax-deductible dollars from American philanthropies were being sent to Israel and then funneled back to the U.S. for distribution to organizations with pro-Israel positions]. Congressman Paul Findley from a little old rural district in Illinois made the mistake of shaking hands with Yasir Arafat years ago. It ended up costing him his reelection. He later wrote a book called They Dare to Speak Out<\/em> about how impossible it is to have a position in this country that takes on Israel. Maybe there is a handful that can, but in general you cannot speak against any Zionist movement in this country.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you begrudge people like Steven Spielberg? He created the Shoah Foundation to chronicle the life stories of Holocaust survivors. What\u2019s your feeling about him?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing wrong with remembering it, but why do we have to constantly remember? We\u2019re not at fault. I mean, if they\u2019re going to put a Holocaust museum in every city in Germany, that\u2019s fine with me. But we didn\u2019t do this to the Jews. Why do we have to keep paying the price and why do they keep oppressing the Palestinians? Do the Jews ever look at themselves? Why are they always right? Because they have been oppressed throughout history, I know. And they have this persecution. That\u2019s true, but they shouldn\u2019t use that to dominate.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> In America you\u2019re talking about a relatively small community. Jews make up roughly two percent of the U.S. population. On a worldwide level, the percentage is well under one percent. Those numbers don\u2019t exactly spell domination.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I get where you\u2019re leading with this. You know damn well the power they have. It isn\u2019t the two percent. It\u2019s real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power. You don\u2019t deny that. You\u2019re Jewish, aren\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I thought. Well, you know damn well they have power.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Why did it take you so long to speak out like this?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> It hasn\u2019t taken that long. I\u2019ve told all my friends and so forth. This has been an issue for me since I first came to Washington.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> You\u2019ve kept quiet publicly since the 1940s?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> It was certainly on my mind back then. The United Nations Partition Plan was being debated at the UN and in the Arab community, and I knew what the Arabs were going through since I have an Arab background. I was part of that community. Like I said, I\u2019ve never hesitated to tell my views to all my friends. They knew exactly where I stood. But I finally wanted to speak the truth. And I think I\u2019m old enough to get away with it. Well, almost. Not quite.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Were you surprised that people like David Duke and even Hezbollah came out and said you were courageous and a hero for them?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want to be a hero to anyone. I just want to be me, and I want to tell the truth. I want everyone to accept the truth. It\u2019s horrible to say some of my best friends are Jews, but they are and they have been.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Don\u2019t take this the wrong way, but the question many people have is, Has Helen Thomas lost her mind? You\u2019re 90, after all. Do you still have all your faculties?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I resent that question! I thoroughly resent it. Why are you interviewing me if I\u2019m crazy? It wouldn\u2019t be worth it to you, would it?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> It\u2019s not an unreasonable question.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I resent it. You should apologize.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> But it\u2019s the question everyone wants answered\u2014and you\u2019re the one who always tells journalists to ask the hard questions.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> They want to know if I\u2019m crazy? You have to be crazy to criticize Israel? You have to be crazy to criticize tyranny? I learned before Hitler that you have to stand up for something. You have to stand up. We always have to take a stand against human tyranny wherever it occurs. [pauses<\/em>] Would you like a Coke or a ginger ale?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, thank you.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> We have Diet Coke. Wine?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, we\u2019re good.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Scotch?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, thank you. How\u2019s your health, by the way?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I\u2019m a little rickety.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do people live a long time in your family?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I had a brother who just died at 100.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Wow. How long did your parents live?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Into their 60s. I\u2019d like to live a long life.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you fear dying?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> No, but I\u2019m not ready to go. You never know, though. It\u2019s fate.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Life is unpredictable, that\u2019s for sure.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> There\u2019s an Arab expression, \u201cMaktub.<\/em>\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Which means?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> \u201cIt is written.\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Meaning whatever will be will be?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m that fatalistic, but yes.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you picture heaven in any way? What would heaven be for you?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I never thought about heaven per se. I think when you\u2019re dead, you\u2019re dead. If anything happens after that, you just hope you don\u2019t go to hell.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> When people write your obituary\u2014\u2014<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> [Eyes suddenly fill with tears<\/em>] Oh, I know what they\u2019re going to say: \u201canti-Semite.\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> That has to bother you after all your years of hard work.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> [Starts to cry<\/em>] I\u2019m a reporter.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What\u2019s making you emotional?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I\u2019m a reporter. [sobs<\/em>] I know damn well what they\u2019re going to say because they have their print, they have their ink. They don\u2019t give a damn about the truth. They have to have it their way, and they\u2019ll be writing my obituary.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that their job?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t want to be treated that way. [pauses but continues to cry<\/em>] I\u2019m sorry. But what am I supposed to do, love every Jew because they want to take Palestine? It\u2019s a real cause with me. They should have a conscience and they don\u2019t if that\u2019s what they\u2019re going to do. Is there such a thing as a conscience? I think there is. Stop taking what doesn\u2019t belong to you! Stop killing these people. These children throw stones at them, and they shoot them. Where is the Jewish conscience? I want to know. Have some feeling. They can\u2019t just come in and say, \u201cThis is my home,\u201d knock on the door at three in the morning and have the Israeli military take them out. That\u2019s what happens. And that\u2019s what happened to the Jews in Germany. Why do they inflict that same pain on people who did nothing to them? [takes another break to compose herself<\/em>]I sure didn\u2019t want to cry. But I do care about people. And I don\u2019t care what they write about me. They\u2019ve already written it. My family will be disappointed in me for crying.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> We in the public never get to see you cry. Helen Thomas has always been the picture of toughness and strength.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019ve cried all my life. I\u2019m a crybaby. It\u2019s not that I\u2019m soft; I just cry at the drop of a hat.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Let\u2019s shift gears. You have literally had a front-row seat on the presidency. What should the American people know about how the White House really operates?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> They don\u2019t know how intense the pressure from different special interests is on the president and congressmen. Politicians more often than not give in to that pressure. These elected officials are supposed to be doing what we want them to do. But I suppose that\u2019s the reason we have the Tea Party. People are unhappy. The trouble is, swinging to the right is always dangerous. We end up losing so much in the rush to conservatism. But even Obama has fallen down that hole. He\u2019s pushing a conservative agenda.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> The right doesn\u2019t see Obama that way. How is Obama conservative?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> Look at Guant\u00e1namo. With a stroke of a pen, the day after Obama took the oath he should have said, \u201cWe\u2019re getting the hell out of here.\u201d Same thing with Iraq and Afghanistan. There\u2019s no reason for us to be in a war. \u201cThey\u2019ll all come here if we don\u2019t go there.\u201d That is baloney. Go halfway around the world to kill and die? Why? Now the veterans can\u2019t get jobs. I see stories every day about soldiers being liberated from Iraq only to end up unemployed. Where is Obama? How can he continue these Bush policies that were so mean and rotten and unjust? People had this impression that Obama would be a peaceful president, but there he is, as hawkish as any of them. And Hillary Clinton is no liberal either. She put out the word to \u201ccapture or kill\u201d for Afghanistan. What would she do that for, really? Capture or kill? What does this mean? I thought, naively perhaps, that she and Obama would bring change, that they would be different. I assumed wrongly that they would be liberal because he\u2019s black and she\u2019s a woman. It\u2019s maddening.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Who\u2019s the greatest president you\u2019ve covered?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, I think Carter was most impressive from the perspective of pure intellect. He was the smartest, if not the most effectual. A man of bold ideas and great wisdom. But that doesn\u2019t mean he was a great president. He wasn\u2019t a schmoozer. He didn\u2019t know how to do that part of the job.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Incidentally, Carter recently said America is ready for its first gay president. Do you think that\u2019s true?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Why not? Absolutely. Don\u2019t underestimate America.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> So who was the greatest president you\u2019ve covered?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I\u2019d say it was a draw. Kennedy and Johnson both impressed me the most for knowing the country, knowing how to legislate and how to get things done and for having monumental ideals. They were presidents who served during remarkable times and lived up to those times.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Then there was Richard Nixon. Why didn\u2019t you see Watergate coming?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> Because we were on the body watch.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Meaning what?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> When you\u2019re with a wire service, you\u2019re always with the president. You\u2019re always trailing him; you\u2019re always there when he\u2019s in public. You don\u2019t have time to chase the backstory. I mean, I didn\u2019t think Nixon was totally honest, but I didn\u2019t know about Watergate per se because when you\u2019re following the president you can\u2019t go digging.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> You were the only female print reporter to accompany Nixon on his landmark visit to China in 1972. What\u2019s your lasting memory from that trip?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Everything. It was a magnificent trip\u2014eight days when you never wanted to sleep you were so afraid to miss something. Everything was a story: what the Chinese wore, what they ate, even what I ate. I would call my office and say President Nixon was going to meet with so-and-so, and they\u2019d say, \u201cNo, wait a minute. We want to know what your room is like and what you\u2019re having for breakfast.\u201d Every reporter in Washington wanted to be on that trip, but it was very limited.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> How do you explain your ability to get access like that? Nobody else had the front-row spot at the White House as long as you did or got to ask the first question at press conferences. What was your secret?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> I thought it was my due, actually. [laughs<\/em>] I worked hard. And while I\u2019ve always felt privileged to go to the White House, I felt this was what I was supposed to do, which is ask hard questions. So many people outside the White House gates wonder what\u2019s going on in there. When I walk in or out, they always ask, \u201cIs the president there? Is he working?\u201d You want to just say, \u201cCome in. It\u2019s your house. This is your house.\u201d [points to plate of ham sandwiches<\/em>] Here, have a sandwich.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, thank you. Did you go into journalism because you wanted to make a difference?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Hell no. I got into it because I am very nosy, very curious, and because I thought it was a great profession. It\u2019s an education every day to be in journalism, and it\u2019s given me a great life.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Were you the kid in the front row at school, asking questions the teacher didn\u2019t want to hear?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> No. That came later. I was afraid of authority as a kid. I certainly wasn\u2019t going to challenge teachers. But I had great parents who taught me never to be seen as less than anyone else. My mother and father couldn\u2019t read or write English, but they were very involved with their friends in talking politics. We were thrilled when my father made a check mark for Roosevelt to be elected. He was a proud man. He ran a small grocery and fed our whole ethnic neighborhood in Detroit\u2014Italians on one side, Germans on the other, everybody hungry. It\u2019s the classic immigrant story, but they were more liberated than most. They always told me I didn\u2019t need to get married or have children to be successful. That was unusual in those days and still is. And I saw from an early age that women weren\u2019t being treated right, weren\u2019t getting opportunities. I wanted to be a newspaperwoman, and I got on the high school paper. I worked on the college paper at Wayne State University and loved it. When I came to Washington I got a job as a copyboy, running for coffee, cutting copy. This was during World War II. Soon enough, I was covering politics. Perhaps there was some element of wanting to do good. I saw what was happening with blacks, civil rights and everything else. Something had to be done in our country, by God, and I was going to help any way I could.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What\u2019s your earliest memory of being at the White House?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> I sort of assigned myself to the White House. I went to cover the Kennedy family on Inauguration Day. I covered men, women, children, animals, everything that moved in the Kennedy White House. I was like the woman who came to dinner; I never left. After the inauguration, UPI said, \u201cOkay, Thomas, you\u2019re assigned.\u201d It was a three-person staff: Merriman Smith, Alvin Spivak and myself. Merriman Smith was the brilliant reporter who won the Pulitzer in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Where were you that day?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I was getting ready to go on a vacation and was in a fancy restaurant on Connecticut Avenue in D.C. with someone from Jackie\u2019s office and an AP reporter and rival who was my closest friend. We ordered lunch and I heard a radio. It sounded like a sporting event, football maybe. But I thought, It\u2019s Friday; how strange. So I went over to listen, and that\u2019s when I heard \u201cKennedy\u2019s been shot.\u201d We all shot out of that restaurant and left Jackie\u2019s staff with the bill. The AP girl ran to her office and I ran to mine. I walked in and they said, \u201cYou\u2019re on vacation.\u201d I said, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not.\u201d They said, \u201cOkay. Get in a cab and go to Andrews Air Force Base. You\u2019re going to Dallas.\u201d It was assumed that Kennedy was still alive. By the time I was in the cab, it was formally announced that he was dead.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> So you stayed in Washington?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I stayed at Andrews and waited there until Air Force One<\/em> came in with the body. I saw Jackie and the pink suit and the blood. I was brokenhearted like everyone else. Kennedy was as brilliant as he was charming, and I had a wonderful personal relationship and rapport with him. He teased me a lot. I remember on St. Patrick\u2019s Day one year JFK came over to the press pool, and I said, \u201cIt\u2019s a great day for the Irish, Mr. President.\u201d And he said, \u201cWell, what are you doing here, Helen?\u201d I mean, his wit was that quick.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> What was it like being inside the White House during that time?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> The days after the assassination were surreal. Jackie hadn\u2019t yet moved out of the White House and LBJ hadn\u2019t yet moved in, so every day we were going to LBJ\u2019s home and talking to him in the motorcade. It\u2019s funny thinking about it now. Today Biden rides by like a monarch with all sirens blaring. He has eight outriders, two scout cars and I don\u2019t know how many police trailing in the back. LBJ demanded total silence for his motorcade around town and into the White House.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What does that say about Joe Biden?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> It was Cheney who started it, I think. That was his MO. Now, there was a vice president. [laughs<\/em>] The idea that he could have been president. I think Cheney is diabolical. How much money has he made from Halliburton? Now they\u2019re all in hiding, he and his men. They\u2019ve all slipped away into corporate life, universities or think tanks. But getting back to LBJ, he used to do these moving press conferences, which was especially hard since I was in heels and would be falling this way and that trying to keep up with him. He had this habit of whispering, so we had to stay close. On walks around the South Lawn he would let his hair down. We were privileged because we were getting what was really on his mind. Then he\u2019d say, \u201cYou know, this is all off the record.\u201d Well, none of us thought it was off the record. We knew, whatever he was trying to tell us, that he wanted the story out but not attributed to him. We\u2019d have to go and find the information on our own. It was quite a study in press relations. You had to work hard not to be manipulated.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> You certainly never had a problem asking hard questions. George W. Bush moved you to the back of the briefing room to get you off his back.
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> Actually, it was Ari Fleischer, the number one liar in the White House. He didn\u2019t like that I was asking too many mean questions about where the Israelis were getting their arms and whatnot. So I got pushed to the back. But the first opportunity I had to challenge Bush, I did.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> You asked him a bold question in 2006. You said, \u201cYour decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, wounds of Americans and Iraqis for a lifetime. Every reason given, publicly at least, has turned out not to be true. My question is, Why did you really want to go to war?\u201d He danced around the answer. Did you have an answer in mind when you asked that question? What do you think has driven America\u2019s involvement in these recent wars?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> You tell me.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, you tell us.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, no president has ever told the truth about why we\u2019re there. I think oil has a lot to do with it. I think there\u2019s an Israel connection. Our government feels compelled to protect Israel. With Bush, some people say it was George Jr. avenging for Daddy. At least Bush\u2019s father understood what war was about. He had been in war. He was more cautious. He certainly lined up the Arab countries to support fighting the invasion of Kuwait. The Bush family has always been rich people in search of a job, but George Sr. had been head of the CIA and chairman of the Republican National Committee. He knew politics and he knew foreign policy, but he didn\u2019t give any of that to his son. Dubya was a hip-shooter. If you look at the Downing Street Memo from 2002, you see the chief of British intelligence had come here just before George W. Bush\u2019s invasion of Iraq. It concludes that the president simply was determined to go to war and that he wanted to fix the facts to do it. But there were no facts. We just went to war for no reason.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> So you never believed the line that the world would be \u201ca safer place\u201d without Saddam Hussein?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I think it was wrong to hang Saddam Hussein. He should have been put before an international court for war crimes and everything else. But for us to just bypass the law and have him hanged was wrong. Not that the press called the president on it. The press rallied around the flag on that one.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Who\u2019s your most trusted news source, by the way?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Nobody, really. I like the liberal press. I like E.J. Dionne Jr. in The \u00adWashington Post<\/em>. I like Sam Donaldson. I believe he\u2019s an honest man. I loved Walter Cronkite. I certainly loved Ed Murrow. But I don\u2019t see replicas around.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What do you think of Fox News?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I don\u2019t watch Fox and I don\u2019t follow Fox.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Not even Glenn Beck?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Who?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Glenn Beck. He\u2019s on Fox.<\/p>\n

THOMAS: <\/strong>No, don\u2019t know him.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you know who Bill O\u2019Reilly is?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Yes, I do. He sent me flowers after insulting me for something or other.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Is anyone asking the tough questions about Israel?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> We\u2019re still not getting the full story on Israel. I asked both President Obama at a news conference and Hillary if they knew of any nations in the Middle East that had nuclear weapons. Obama danced around it and said, \u201cI don\u2019t want to speculate.\u201d Hillary said, \u201cOh, Helen, you\u2019re cute\u201d or something to that effect. She laughed it off.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Why would our government remain quiet if Israel had nukes?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Years ago we made a pact with Golda Meir never to say it. In her era, they would never say it, and they can\u2019t say it now because they can\u2019t tell Iran and all these other countries that they have nukes. That\u2019s my opinion. Our government won\u2019t tell the truth, and neither will the Israelis. Everyone knows, but I can\u2019t write \u201cEveryone knows.\u201d You have to attribute it to somebody. Again, you don\u2019t see these stories in the news. You have to go to a magazine like The Nation<\/em> or the offbeat press to find out what is really happening. They don\u2019t say that in The New York Times<\/em>.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Or we can get our news from comedians like Jon Stewart. What\u2019s your take on him?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. He called me anti-Semitic. What is this crap? Anti-Semitic? What is he?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What about Bill Maher?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I like Bill Maher. Remember when he said the 9\/11 bombers were not cowards? He lost his job temporarily, but he was right: Anybody who flies an airplane into a building isn\u2019t a coward. That was too logical for people, though. You can\u2019t be that honest. [laughs<\/em>] It\u2019s like the Japanese kamikazes in World War II. They were diabolical, flying right into ships, but they certainly weren\u2019t cowards. There are two sides to every story. I guess the trouble is certain stories just don\u2019t sell newspapers.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Nothing\u2019s selling newspapers these days.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> And it\u2019s a tragedy. I still like a newspaper in my hand. I get The \u00adWashington Post<\/em> and The New York Times<\/em> outside the door every morning and run to them. I like the print press. You don\u2019t get anything in depth anymore without a newspaper. Everything is a headline, a sound bite. I worry about young people really getting to know what\u2019s going on in our world.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> How much time do you spend online?<\/p>\n

THOMAS: <\/strong>Uh-uh. I\u2019m a paper-and-pencil person. I probably should look at Facebook and Huffington Post and these other things, but I don\u2019t. Everyone with a laptop thinks they\u2019re a journalist and everyone with a camera thinks they\u2019re a news photographer. Where are the standards? How can we get back to the ethics and standards of journalism? There\u2019s no editing, no oversight. It\u2019s just thrown to the wind. I\u2019m afraid of what\u2019s happening.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY: <\/strong>But you can\u2019t deny the power of the web. Look at WikiLeaks. What did you think of those diplomatic revelations?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> I think it\u2019s great. It\u2019s important to reveal what\u2019s going on behind the scenes. We wouldn\u2019t have known half this stuff without this information, and it\u2019s going to change everything as far as diplomacy. It\u2019s hard to believe we didn\u2019t know some of this stuff before. Maybe I should have been digging into these things myself. I\u2019m probably not a good reporter. [laughs<\/em>]<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> By the way, did you ever see Marilyn Monroe backstage at the White House?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> [Laughs<\/em>] Now these are the questions I like, not the ones that make me cry. No, I never saw Marilyn. But I saw a lot.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What about Monica Lewinsky? Was there talk in the pressroom that Bill Clinton was having sex with someone before that news got out?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> There\u2019s always talk, but I never assume anything. That\u2019s the first law of journalism. Your mother says she loves you, check it out. So no, I didn\u2019t suspect.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Were you surprised?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> No. I knew how women liked Clinton very much.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you think it\u2019s the public\u2019s right to know what\u2019s happening in the president\u2019s private life?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Absolutely. We need to know everything a president\u2019s up to. He\u2019s on our time, on our payroll. He\u2019s a public servant.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY: <\/strong>Were you all aware that President Reagan was taking naps in the White House when he should have been at meetings?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> We knew he fell asleep a lot. But I still feel he was making the decisions, even if some of them weren\u2019t great. Ketchup was a vegetable on the school lunch program. I think Reagan was so conservative, he really believed people could pull themselves up without any government assistance, get out of wherever they were to find a job and so forth. That created a real underclass in this country. But there were also things I liked about Reagan. He began to bend toward the Soviet Union. It was Nancy who pushed him on that. She convinced him to go to Russia to see for himself that these people were real. That began a whole transformation personally for Reagan. He saw that the Russians laughed and cried and were human. After he came back from meeting Gorbachev for the first time, I said to him, \u201cMr. President, to think that if you had gone to Moscow 10 or 20 years ago, you might have found out back then that they laugh, they cry, they\u2019re human.\u201d \u201cNope,\u201d he said. \u201cThey\u2019re the ones who\u2019ve changed.\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> How much was Nancy Reagan controlling things behind the scenes?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Nancy certainly was important and powerful, but I think it\u2019s because their marriage was so close. Everybody liked Reagan, but he wasn\u2019t particularly connected to anyone aside from Nancy. It was morning in America and all that jazz, but you never got the feeling he was warm. He\u2019d rather be alone with his wife up in the family quarters.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Press secretaries are paid to obscure the truth, are they not?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> [Laughs<\/em>] Tell me about it. But we had a few good ones. I loved Pierre \u00adSalinger\u2014loved his joie de vivre, his intelligence, his wit\u2014though he was really the first press secretary to attempt to control the press. He exerted tremendous influence in shifting the story to places he wanted it to go. Bill Moyers tried to do the same, and I had to fight him on it. I once accused him of not being honest and he said, \u201cWell, I might shade the truth a little.\u201d Shade the truth? There\u2019s no room for shading the truth in journalism. What\u2019s funny is that so many of these guys ended up working in journalism. Look at George Stephanopoulos. He\u2019s Mr. Journalism now, which is ironic because he started closing the door to the press secretary\u2019s office his first week on the job. \u201cJournalists keep out!\u201d<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> It sounds like he wasn\u2019t your favorite gatekeeper.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I was very unhappy with him when he came to the White House. Dee Dee Myers was the press secretary under Clinton, but Stephanopoulos was head of communications and he kept forcing her out of the way and taking over. He ran the office with tight control, and since he made the mistake of wanting his briefings to be on TV, I kept asking, \u201cWhy have a press secretary if we can\u2019t freely go and ask them private questions?\u201d And it was heard from coast to coast. He didn\u2019t treat us civilly. But then immediately after he\u2019s out of the White House, he wants to go into our profession. It\u2019s like he couldn\u2019t stand being out of the limelight. I mean, why should George Stephanopoulos have been a great journalist? Well, he\u2019s not, in my book. The way he treated us. I don\u2019t want to sound like I hold a grudge, but you do have a memory for certain personalities.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Has there ever been an honest press secretary?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Jerry terHorst. He lasted one month. He was President Ford\u2019s press secretary. He had covered Ford in Washington. He had been here for 29 years as a reporter from the Grand Rapids paper and then The Detroit News<\/em>. He understood the press. But he was incapable of lying, and he quit when Ford pardoned Nixon, on the very day. He couldn\u2019t take it. Poor Jerry Ford. He just wasn\u2019t ready to be president. He had prepared himself to be Speaker of the House and stepped into those shoes okay, but he just wasn\u2019t equipped for the big job. We saw that Betty Ford struggled too, of course.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> You and Douglas Cornell, a White House correspondent for rival Associated Press, were married for 11 years before he died, in 1982. Did you ever regret not having children?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Well, until Doug, boyfriends weren\u2019t exactly beating down the door, so I had a clear path to be a reporter. I worried about having children, actually, what it would have meant for them to have someone working all the time. I know I should have done it, but I feel I didn\u2019t miss anything. Can I get you some wine?
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> It\u2019s still pretty early in the day. No thanks. By the way, is it true what they say about political journalists being big drinkers?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> It used to be. Not so much anymore.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Were you ever a drinker?
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\nTHOMAS:<\/strong><\/strong> I don\u2019t think I\u2019m a heavy drinker, but I like to drink.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> What\u2019s your beverage of choice?<\/p>\n

THOMAS: <\/strong>Scotch. On the rocks. I like wine, too, and I like vodka and tonic. [laughs] With lots of limes. Sure you don\u2019t want something?<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> No, thank you. Do you miss being at the White House every day?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Of course I do. There\u2019s nothing to replace being there as a reporter with your eyes and your ears. You see things. You\u2019re not always in the know, but you get the atmosphere and so forth. I\u2019ve had a great career.
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\nPLAYBOY:<\/strong><\/strong> What\u2019s your hope for the future?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> On a political level, I hope for disarmament. Billions and billions are being spent every week on the war in Afghanistan. We have 700 military bases around the world. What do you think it costs to keep that war machine running? It\u2019s not working. I thought Obama would be for peace, but he\u2019s not. There are no peacemakers left. There\u2019s no antiwar movement to speak of. America just keeps going, keeps fighting, keeps spending. I want the killing to stop.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> How would you like to be remembered?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> As the person who asked why. That\u2019s what I want as my epitaph: \u201cWhy?\u201d It\u2019s always been my favorite question, even though it rarely gets answered. As I said before, because of what happened recently, people are going to remember me a certain way. The truth is, I don\u2019t hate anybody. I care deeply about people. I care for the poor, the sick, the lame, the harmed, those who\u2019ve been treated unjustly. I like the fact that you asked me if I\u2019m nuts. People think you\u2019re nuts if you take a stand in this life. I\u2019ve always cared about what happens in the world, and I think what the Israelis are doing is wrong. We have to care about our fellow man, and we don\u2019t. Somehow we\u2019ve lost that sense. It\u2019s become almost a sin to care. But we are all God\u2019s children, right? [laughs<\/em>]<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Do you believe in God?<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Who knows? I was raised Greek Orthodox, but I never understood what was going on. In college I moved away from religion, and then when I went to work I would go to church with the president. I\u2019d pray to whatever god the president prayed to. I prayed to all of them\u2014just in case. Now I just pray in hopes that something good will happen. I pray to whoever the gods may be.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY: <\/strong>That makes sense. One last thing: I heard you once say journalists shouldn\u2019t say thank you after an interview with a politician. But you famously said \u201cThank you, Mr. President\u201d for almost 50 years.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> I was following a tradition. My old colleague Merriman Smith was the one who invented the phrase during the Truman era. After that, whoever was the senior reporter at a news conference would say it. That was my role for many years. It\u2019s okay to say thank you.<\/p>\n

PLAYBOY:<\/strong> Well, thank you, Ms. Thomas.<\/p>\n

THOMAS:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

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