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8 Jun 2018 – <\/em>Seymour M. Hersh\u2019s memoir Reporter<\/em> is out this week, and it\u2019s the story of an epic career in journalism. Here is the son of Jewish immigrants, owners of a dry cleaning store, taking to the streets of Chicago, a law school dropout turned cub reporter, on the police beat, learning that you couldn\u2019t report on a cop shooting an unarmed black man, even if the cop admitted it and the coroner\u2019s report said the man had been shot in the back. Here is Hersh working for the Associated Press in the Pentagon, exposing the U.S. bombing of civilian sites in Hanoi. Here is Hersh making a brief foray into politics as press secretary for the antiwar candidate Eugene McCarthy in 1968, getting exasperated on a campaign swing through Wisconsin when McCarthy ditches a fundraiser to see a film adaptation of Ulysses<\/em>, and soon thereafter quitting. Here is Hersh tracking down Lieutenant William Calley in a condo in Columbus, Georgia, and listening to his account of the My Lai massacre over beers and watching him vomit blood from an ulcer into a toilet.<\/p>\n

Here is Hersh walking into the office of William Shawn at The New Yorker <\/em>and being offered a drawing account of $500 a week on the spot as a staff writer. Here is Hersh pounding out stories on Watergate, Kissinger\u2019s crimes, and the CIA\u2019s domestic wiretapping for the New York Times<\/em>, reporting that would contribute to wide-scale national reckonings with state power and executive malfeasance. And all of that is decades before the revelations of the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.<\/p>\n

I have known Hersh for several years and I worked with him as an editor at the London Review of Books<\/em> (on pieces whose substance I won\u2019t discuss here; you can read them, and about them, elsewhere). Editing Sy was a lot of fun, and always involved lots of fighting over everything from commas, to structure, to the timing of our daily phone calls, which could last hours. I\u2019ve heard many of the stories he recounts in his memoir before. Particularly, during line editing, Sy often referred to the experience of being edited by Mr. Shawn, who after two clean galleys circled a single clich\u00e9 on page three and remarked in the margin: \u201cMr. Hersh\u2014pls use words.\u201d This was an effective strategy to intimidate a young editor, which I was then.<\/p>\n

Hersh\u2019s reports on national security require the utmost clarity and an impersonal reportorial voice. But in his memoir, we read the real Sy, a true storyteller who breathes history and writes in cascading cadences that have not a little in common with other American writers born in the 1930s. On the page, I think of him as a scrappier cousin of Renata Adler, Don DeLillo, or Philip Roth.<\/p>\n

I visited Sy last month at his office in Washington, where he works the phones, hoards his notes and documents, and writes at his computer under a photograph of Henry Kissinger stuffing his mouth with cake and looking ready for a walk-on role in a sequel to Dr. Strangelove<\/em>. Until a rotator-cuff injury recently sidelined him, Hersh played tennis every day, and at 81 he\u2019s irrepressible in conversation, a true steamroller. The exchange below has been condensed and edited. At the end of our talk, Sy gave me a card for the Washington metro so I could make it on time to my bus back to New York.<\/p>\n

[Recorder turned on in the middle of conversation.<\/em>]<\/p>\n

I mean, come on, it\u2019s all downhill, I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen to our fucking profession. It\u2019s fucking crazy.<\/p>\n

Yes, it\u2019s worrying. <\/strong><\/p>\n

I just read Stephen Kinzer\u2019s book on the Dulles brothers [The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War<\/em>, 2013], and the thing that got me: It was so fucking stupid what they did. Even the Korean War, we now know that China started the war without talking to Russia. We thought it was all Russia. The wrongness of us. So how do you deal with a country that gets everything fucking wrong? [Secretary of State Mike] Pompeo today issued an edict today to the North Koreans. Basically it was a Cold War edict. We\u2019re going to give you the stiffest requirements. You have to cut off everything, do everything we say. And their answer was: Who do you think you are? But how did we get so wrong? How did we get so wrong on everything? I can\u2019t figure that out. Can you figure that out?<\/p>\n

I\u2019m a literary critic.<\/strong><\/p>\n

What did literature do to help? What did Styron do? What did Mailer do? I spend my life putting dead rats full of lice on people\u2019s desks. And it does pay off. George Saunders just wrote a lovely note to my agent, saying I\u2019m a unbelievably wonderful read. He\u2019s my true hero. What a read, he said, I can show it to you. [He shows me the email.<\/em>] I gave a talk with him once, but he\u2019s the nicest man, you know. I wrote back, George could write himself out of a Mengele experimental ward. [The phone rings.<\/em>] This is money, I gotta take it. [He takes it.<\/em>] I get these calls all the time from strange people. That\u2019s life in the fast track. When I get pissed off is when people say \u2014 you know, the feat of all time, as I think about it, was telling Abe Rosenthal that on April 20th, 1976, I got this story about the CIA wiretapping Americans I\u2019ve been working on for two years. The CIA knew two years before. They were watching me two years before. It\u2019s in this.<\/p>\n

This is where it comes from. [He pulls out an internal history of the CIA and points to a reference to himself from 1974.<\/em>] They have a whole section on me. \u201cAs far back as December Hersh told the House Intelligence Committee that he had information the agency was engaging in extensive domestic operations.\u201d I barely knew myself at this time that I was doing it. I\u2019d heard something. So every conversation I had with [CIA Director William] Colby was wired. Every one, in his office, at home at night, was wired. And every conversation I had with the Justice Department was wired. It was the \u201970s and we\u2019re not even at war. There\u2019s no war. What can I tell you? And so I tell Abe Rosenthal I got this story. He doesn\u2019t know a frigging thing about it. He said, \u201cWhat, we\u2019re spying on Americans? Come on.\u201d And I said, \u201cNo, it\u2019s a real story.\u201d He said, \u201cWell, write it.\u201d I said, \u201cIt\u2019s a big story.\u201d He said, \u201cJust go write it.\u201d So I go to the office, I go home. That\u2019s when I called his wife up. What she said was a little more earthy than what I put in the book, but that\u2019s okay. I mean, it did happen.<\/p>\n

You called his wife or his girlfriend? <\/strong><\/p>\n

I called the wife first, who then told me about the girlfriend with some asperity. As it turns out, he was a tomcat. I guess I didn\u2019t know that he was a big buddy of Roy Cohn\u2019s. I learned that much later. Yeah, they used to go to parties together. I had no idea. None of my business. So I spend three hours on it. I saw Colby at 10 o\u2019clock and he cashed in on me. He claims that he just diminished it. He said, \u201cWell, they wanted 110 wiretaps and they only got 74.\u201d And it\u2019s a ticket to ride. And [CIA counterintelligence chief James Jesus] Angleton is going to be done with this story. And Colby knows that he wants to get rid of him. And in a way Colby\u2019s probably using me to get rid of Angleton. Angleton then tells me that he didn\u2019t really do it, and he names a guy named [Richard] Ober [head of the CIA\u2019s Operation CHAOS]. I don\u2019t know if these people are still alive. [They are all dead.<\/em>] In those days \u2014 it\u2019s hard to believe how na\u00efve we are. CIA people who were undercover used to all live in Virginia and Maryland with their phone numbers in the book because their wives wanted to belong to clubs and stuff. So I called up this guy Ober on Saturday morning, or Friday afternoon. Ober ran the program. And I say to Ober, \u201cAngleton just dumped all over you and said you did everything.\u201d He said, \u201cI don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about.\u201d I said, \u201cYou can say whatever you want.<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s my name and number and I\u2019m going to tell what Angleton said.\u201d Then I told him one or two facts that Angleton told me and an hour later he calls back and says, \u201cI\u2019m not taking the fall for Angleton.\u201d And so we have this conversation and the whole time he\u2019s talking to me, Angleton\u2019s talking to me. Three other guys, four other guys are talking to me. They all don\u2019t say, of course you\u2019re not using my name. It\u2019s understood. Do you know what I mean? We\u2019re on that level.
\nThey understood and I understand. So I have, as I said in the article, I had seven sources. I finished the story about 11 or 12. I\u2019ve stayed up all night, I\u2019ve got 7,000 words. I\u2019ve been thinking about the story for years and I thought it through \u2026 I understood where I was going. It\u2019s not like a novel where sometimes the characters take over. I just knew I got the chronology going and I knew where I was and I knew where it would end, you know? And so and so, the story goes, and the only debate, the only concern was about the word \u201cmassive.\u201d<\/p>\n

What did you say?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I said it\u2019s 100,000 people. How do you describe it? Larger than life. I mean it\u2019s just one word, and so then he did, and we thought that we\u2019d be attacked for that word, but anyway it gets into the paper. They never talked to the lawyer. I never talked to Jimmy Goodale [former vice-president and general counsel of the New York Times<\/em>]. Abe never calls me and says, who are the sources? Talk about an amazing thing \u2014 for the New York Times<\/em> to lead a paper with that. They added an extra page in the middle of the night. Abe got mad at me because I didn\u2019t know the phone number I was calling from. He got really mad at me, \u201cWhat do mean you don\u2019t know your fucking number?\u201d I remember that. I can remember all these things. Anyway, I remember all of my\u00a0conversations with you, all of our fights. I can remember every fight we had and where they went.<\/p>\n

I remember them too, Sy.<\/strong><\/p>\n

It was for you and me to resolve. You may have been right about a few things. I\u2019m not worried about it. It happened. I say to people, \u201cDo you have any idea how hard it is to do that, to write 7,000 words in 10 hours or 12 hours for the front page of the New York Times<\/em> and to know that they trust you so much that that it\u2019s going to lead the paper.\u201d It\u2019s hard. I mean, it\u2019s a feat. I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever done anything nearly that close in all my years. The second and third pieces I did for The New Yorker <\/em>on Abu Ghraib were on the fly, but nothing like that.<\/p>\n

What was the aftermath of the CIA story? How long did it take over your life?<\/strong><\/p>\n

The CIA took over my life for a long time. One of the problems was that afterwards, nobody followed it and so I had to keep going. Nobody followed it. Once again, it\u2019s the same thing I talk about with the Pentagon press corps. I saw the Pentagon press corps smoking pipes. In all fairness to reporters, every time you went to see somebody above a colonel or higher, you had to sign in. So if I got a good story from somebody, I just spent three days seeing ten other people to protect my sources. That was too many for them to cope with it. Five and they might have gone after five. I had to pretend to do interviews on other stuff to throw them off the trail. It was really hard. [Pentagon Press Secretary] Arthur Sylvester and [Defense Secretary Robert] McNamara? I knew him from the very beginning. McNamara was a fucking psychotic liar.<\/p>\n

Is there anyone like him now?<\/strong><\/p>\n

What\u2019s going on today in terms of the U.S. and Russia, it\u2019s pretty nasty now. Journalism can be a lot more interesting than what we\u2019re seeing. I hate to see the way journalism is devalued. We have to feed the machine, we have to feed the Trump outrage machine, to feed the anger against Trump, to feed the New York liberal anger. The New York Times <\/em>does this, and the Washington Post<\/em> does the same thing, only to a lesser degree. The story is just, Trump clearly lied again when he said such and such. But those aren\u2019t front page stories, yet there are three of them on the front page. [At this point, we went through the stories on the front pages of the <\/em>Times and the <\/em>Post, several of which were about statements or tweets by the president.<\/em>] It\u2019s really sort of dishonest.<\/p>\n

Was it like that with Nixon or Johnson?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Not as bad. Not nearly as bad. In fact, not nearly as bad with George W. Bush either. And not nearly as bad, certainly not, with Obama. He didn\u2019t get into any of the trouble he could have gotten into and he got a big ride from people. So here\u2019s where we are at. All the Mueller stuff, all the Russia stuff. It\u2019s catnip for liberal outrage.<\/p>\n

Do you think Trump is doing as much damage as Bush and Cheney?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Not nearly. He\u2019s a clown. He\u2019s not serious. I wrote a lot about Cheney in The<\/em> New Yorker<\/em>, but I wrote very little of what I know. The only time I ever mentioned what he ever said at a meeting was when there were many people there who were not insiders, you know, other people not in the government, so my sources would be protected. So sometimes he\u2019d show off a little bit and talk about building a new alignment in the Middle East, what things go together and how they never fit. They always never fit. Cheney would go off on the 1917 Balfour declaration. He knows a lot and he\u2019s a reader, and he ain\u2019t dumb and he\u2019s got a great memory. They caused irreparable damage.<\/p>\n

How did you get hired at the New York Times<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Abe Rosenthal hired me because the Times<\/em> Washington bureau was falling on its ass on Watergate and he didn\u2019t even know about Watergate. The bureau wasn\u2019t doing it and it wasn\u2019t doing Vietnam. As much as we had bad blood, he knew he needed me.<\/p>\n

You had gotten a visa to go to Hanoi, right? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Somebody at the Times<\/em> picked up on my New Yorker<\/em> articles. There\u2019s this story where I hung up on Abe and told him to go fuck himself. It\u2019s true. It was when I was conducting an interview on My Lai for CBS. And the Times<\/em> is coming to check quotes to clean my My Lai story out.
\nAnd so the next day after I hung up on Abe, they ran only the CBS interview. They mentioned, but although they bought our story, they didn\u2019t mention it. They paid 100 bucks like everyone else for a story after not buying it for weeks.<\/p>\n

How much did you end up getting for those first My Lai stories you put out through the Dispatch News Service [a small antiwar news agency run by Hersh\u2019s neighbor David Obst that syndicated Hersh\u2019s My Lai reports to newspapers across the country]?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, I got paid. I got enough. I got paid. I don\u2019t know how much David made because he later made it a business. If you have 30 papers, paying 100 bucks each, that\u2019s what, $3,000, and I\u2019m flying all over, and I don\u2019t think I made a lot of money off that. I shared a big chunk of the $10,000 CBS paid. I didn\u2019t handle any of the money. I had to hire lawyers and stuff like that. I got enough money to make a down payment on a house. You know this business. Come on! There\u2019s no big payday.<\/p>\n

Certainly not for book critics.<\/strong><\/p>\n

This is my Cheney book. Remember I told you I don\u2019t put anything on the computer? This is the book right here. [Hersh points to his desk: several stacks of dozens of yellow legal pads filled with interviews for his ongoing book on Dick Cheney and the war on terror.<\/em>] This one is the history behind the early decision to bomb the Taliban in October 2001. We weren\u2019t at war with the Taliban. Why would you want to go war with the Taliban? Some of those Taliban guys had worked with us against the Russians because they hated the Russians, and they were all calling CIA guys that talked to me between 9\/11 and when we started bombing six weeks later in October. They were saying that in Pashtun society that Bin Laden was a guest and you don\u2019t kick out a guest. But after about a month, they began calling people in the CIA who I\u2019ve talked to about it \u2014 more than one of them \u2014and they said, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, they\u2019re no longer our guests. You know where they are. You do know where they are. Hit \u2019em there. Instead, we went to war with the Taliban. Incredible decision.<\/p>\n

And now it\u2019s been 17 years.<\/strong><\/p>\n

How we doin\u2019? Everything\u2019s rosy. Everything\u2019s wonderful in Kabul, right? My son was there and he said when he used to jog, and the smell of dung would penetrate everywhere and get right into your lungs. You\u2019ve seen the crap I get, right? You\u2019ve seen the documents.
\n[Hersh rifles through documents on his desk. He pulls up a 2002 memo from Donald Rumsfeld referring to an entity called \u201cGrey Fox.\u201d<\/em>] Grey Fox? What the fuck is that? Who? What? Ever heard of Grey Fox? No. Okay. What are we talking about? I mean, what\u2019s going on in this secret world? And what\u2019s secret titrant? T-I-T-R-A-N-T? What the fuck does that mean? That means something important. And again, how about this one? I mean, I get this shit. There\u2019s one that\u2019s just amazing. [We looked at a one-line memo from Rumsfeld to Douglas Feith, which caused us both to laugh.<\/em>] I mean, what are you going to do with this stuff? First of all, they would nail the guy that gave it to me, I\u2019m sure. Here Rummy says the trouble with these fucking army guys is that when you send them on missions the only thing they want to do is be sure they have the right people, the right targets. He said, Well, you, no, we don\u2019t have to do that. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve got to get Special Forces in there. Get rid of Grey Fox. I found out what it was. It\u2019s a fucking black unit. The name\u2019s changed a thousand times times. None of these I ever used, not one word. These guys are really serious about killing a lot of people. There\u2019s a document where they\u2019re talking about problems they have with detainment, and this is the kind of stuff that drives you crazy. [Shows another memo.<\/em>] They \u201clove\u201d the idea! Man, we could go out and start killing fucking people! Fuck all this dumb shit about the Geneva Convention. Fuck all that. This is war. They said the problem is we have a lot of detainees. This is in late 2001. We\u2019ve got detainees and we\u2019ve got a real detainee problem because among the detainees we have \u2014 who we don\u2019t know what to do with and we think they\u2019re all bad guys \u2014 are anywhere between 800 to 900 Pakistani children between the ages of 13 and 15. They\u2019re in a prison in Afghanistan \u2026 They\u2019re talking them about sending them to one of the islands in the Pacific where we did all the nuclear testing because there\u2019s nobody there anymore because of radioactivity. They think it\u2019s okay now. In the end they decided to put them in Guant\u00e1namo.<\/p>\n

What was the process of researching your memoir. Was it all here in notes and documents and clips?<\/strong><\/p>\n

People are amazed that I remembered so much. But you\u2019re not. You know I\u2019ve got a good memory.<\/p>\n

It seemed to me that a lot of the stories in the book you\u2019ve rehearsed over and over again in conversations. <\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve told the stories a hundred times, so they were in my head. But I had to do immense fact-checking. You\u2019ve been thinking something was one way for decades. Turns out it was something else. What I did is I went back and I got almost everything I ever wrote. The AP was great. I didn\u2019t know I was gonna be a writer when I started out. I didn\u2019t keep diaries and intake books on it, but I have a good memory, and all that stuff from Chicago, I remember like it was today because it was so traumatic for me. And also don\u2019t forget I drove a car with just the press sticker. We could go anywhere. The deal with the cops was you can do anything, you can report anything as long as you stay away from the whole Worth Street mafia stuff. In other words, if there\u2019s some guy who was found in the street with 12 bullet holes in him, and the local police station reported it was a traffic accident. You didn\u2019t fuck with them, just like you didn\u2019t fuck with it. So I knew what tyranny was, in a funny way, very early because there were limits.<\/p>\n

Otherwise, the city was your oyster. Chicago was great then and I just drove around. I could do what I wanted, but there was a limit. You couldn\u2019t really tell the truth, like who shot somebody in the back, which they were doing all the time, killing black men. You couldn\u2019t get into it. And so I was glad to get out of there. So I went and got everything I ever did and read all the stories.<\/p>\n

You read them all?<\/strong><\/p>\n

There\u2019s one from 16 years ago I wrote about John Walker Lindh, who they tortured. We all knew what they were doing. They were torturing and killing. There was no secret about it, you know, I wouldn\u2019t have done it if I\u2019d been in the CIA, but, I might have, you know, I don\u2019t know. Certainly that was the atmosphere. It came from the top. They threw this kid for five days, seven days \u2014 he was naked \u2014 in a container used for shipping bombs. It\u2019s a big steel container and they took the top off it and placed it on the ground. This was in Bagram and it was over 100 degrees and they drilled holes in it, big holes like port holes, so the GIs could come by and scream things at him. And one of the things they tried to do is piss far enough \u2014 he was off in a corner \u2014 they would try to get the piss on him. People wrote about it as if he deserves it. The 19-year-old Taliban, he got 20 years. He\u2019s coming out in two years, and needless to say, he\u2019s a little bitter. He\u2019s got one year off, two years off. So he\u2019s gonna serve 18-and-a-half years. I wanted to go talk to him, but he\u2019s too bitter, man, and half-crazy anyway.<\/p>\n

Is he still religious?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know. I know he\u2019s still angry at America. He doesn\u2019t like America. He wants to get out. His mother and father are trying to talk to him. They separated when he was a kid. You know, 17-year-old kid and his parents divorced. He didn\u2019t go do drugs. He joined the Taliban. It was just murderous. There was a CIA guy, but he wasn\u2019t really. He was an ex-Special Forces asshole that was recruited by the CIA for this war because they didn\u2019t have enough people. It wasn\u2019t a military war in the beginning, it was CIA guys growing beards, riding horses with sandals and all that shit, and they recruited him. We took over some town and nobody would talk and they flooded water into a basement there and they got the prisoners all wet. They scared them with drowning and somebody talks, told them that there was an American there, so he found out who he was and he goes up to him and starts speaking English and of course the kid knows if he indicates to his peers that he knew English, he\u2019s a dead man, they\u2019ll think he\u2019s an American spy. So he of course said nothing. So they roughed him up and dragged him and threw him in this thing. In the New Yorker<\/em> I wrote a story describing some of the Geneva Convention violations. But it was like I was banging in the wind. What the fuck? I know in the first four or five months of Guantanamo, when they assured everybody that all the detainees got one hour of R&R every day. You know what the R&R was? They put them in a straight jacket in the middle of the afternoon \u2014 it was 103 degrees \u2014 and they throw them out onto the grass outside for an hour. I didn\u2019t write that either.<\/p>\n

How do you rate the main antagonists of your career: McNamara, Kissinger, Cheney?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cheney, he\u2019s the smartest and he caused the most damage.<\/p>\n

Smarter than Kissinger?<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, Kissinger, for all of his being wrong, Kissinger really was dexterous. Cheney didn\u2019t have any of that. He was just plowing straight ahead, but he just, he was well read. I mean, he spent years trying to reorganize the Middle East. But you talk about antagonists, I thought you would name my colleagues! I\u2019m so glad you didn\u2019t. If you notice in the book I was very generous. This isn\u2019t a payback book.<\/p>\n

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Seymour M. Hersh has been a contributor to <\/em>The New Yorker since 1993. He is a regular at <\/em>London Review of Books and is writing an alternative history of the war on terror. His journalism and publishing awards include a Pulitzer Prize, five George Polk Awards, two National Magazine Awards, and more than a dozen other prizes for investigative reporting. Hersh won a National Magazine Award for Public Interest for his 2003 articles \u201cLunch with the Chairman,\u201d \u201cSelective Intelligence,\u201d and \u201cThe Stovepipe.\u201d In 2004 he exposed the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in a series of pieces; in 2005, he again received a National Magazine Award for Public Interest, an Overseas Press Club award, the National Press Foundation\u2019s Kiplinger Distinguished Contributions to Journalism award, and his fifth George Polk Award, making him that award\u2019s most honored laureate. He lives in Washington DC.<\/em><\/p>\n

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