{"id":162860,"date":"2020-06-15T12:00:22","date_gmt":"2020-06-15T11:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/?p=162860"},"modified":"2020-06-15T08:20:05","modified_gmt":"2020-06-15T07:20:05","slug":"nobel-literature-laureate-bob-dylan-has-a-lot-on-his-mind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/2020\/06\/nobel-literature-laureate-bob-dylan-has-a-lot-on-his-mind\/","title":{"rendered":"[Nobel Literature laureate] Bob Dylan Has a Lot on His Mind"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote>\n<p id=\"article-summary\" class=\"css-1smgwul e1wiw3jv0\"><em>In a rare interview, the Nobel Prize winner discusses mortality, drawing inspiration from the past, and his new album, \u201cRough and Rowdy Ways.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_162862\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-162862\" class=\"wp-image-162862\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-1024x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan.jpg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-162862\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bob Dylan\u2019s \u201cRough and Rowdy Ways\u201d is his first album of original songs since 2012. Credit&#8230;Kevin Winter\/Getty Images<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><em>12 Jun 2020 &#8211; <\/em>A few years ago, sitting beneath shade trees in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., I had a two-hour discussion with Bob Dylan that touched on Malcolm X, the French Revolution, Franklin Roosevelt and World War II. At one juncture, he asked me what I knew about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nps.gov\/sand\/index.htm\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sand Creek Massacre of 1864<\/a>. When I answered, \u201cNot enough,\u201d he got up from his folding chair, climbed into his tour bus, and came back five minutes later with photocopies describing how U.S. troops had butchered hundreds of peaceful Cheyenne and Arapahoe in southeastern Colorado.<\/p>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Given the nature of our relationship, I felt comfortable reaching out to him in April after, in the midst of the coronavirus crisis, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/03\/27\/arts\/music\/playlist-bob-dylan-rihanna-partynextdoor.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >he unexpectedly released<\/a> his epic, 17-minute song \u201cMurder Most Foul,\u201d about the Kennedy assassination. Even though he hadn\u2019t done a major interview <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bobdylan.com\/news\/qa-with-bill-flanagan\/\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">outside of his own website<\/a> since <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2016\/10\/14\/arts\/music\/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-literature.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >winning the Nobel Prize in Literature<\/a> in 2016, he agreed to a phone chat from his Malibu home, which turned out to be his only interview before next Friday\u2019s release of \u201cRough and Rowdy Ways<em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\">,<\/em>\u201d his first album of original songs since \u201cTempest\u201d in 2012<em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\">.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Like most conversations with Dylan, \u201cRough and Rowdy Ways\u201d covers complex territory: trances and hymns, defiant blues, love longings, comic juxtapositions, prankster wordplay, patriotic ardor, maverick steadfastness, lyrical Cubism, twilight-age reflections and spiritual contentment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">In the high-octane showstopper \u201cGoodbye Jimmy Reed,\u201d Dylan honors the Mississippi bluesman with dragon-fierce harmonica riffs and bawdy lyrics. In the slow blues \u201cCrossing the Rubicon,\u201d he feels \u201cthe bones beneath my skin\u201d and considers his options before death: \u201cThree miles north of purgatory \u2014 one step from the great beyond\/I prayed to the cross and I kissed the girls and I crossed the Rubicon.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">\u201cMother of Muses\u201d is a hymn to the natural world, gospel choirs and military men like William Tecumseh Sherman and George Patton, \u201cwho cleared the path for Presley to sing\/who cleared the path for Martin Luther King.\u201d And \u201cKey West (Philosopher\u2019s Pirate),\u201d is an ethereal meditation on immortality set on a drive down Route 1 to the Florida Keys, with Donnie Herron\u2019s accordion channeling the Band\u2019s Garth Hudson. In it he pays homage to, \u201cGinsberg, Corso and Kerouac.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-79elbk\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"css-1a48zt4 ehw59r15\" style=\"text-align: center;\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-children\">\n<figure class=\"css-1viisko e1g7ppur0\" role=\"group\" aria-label=\"media\">\n<div class=\"css-1xdhyk6 erfvjey0\"><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan3\/merlin_23856017_1c95499e-73a2-4e30-8811-ee5d4d3bca0f-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=600\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 3dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 288dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan3\/merlin_23856017_1c95499e-73a2-4e30-8811-ee5d4d3bca0f-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1200\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 2dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 192dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan3\/merlin_23856017_1c95499e-73a2-4e30-8811-ee5d4d3bca0f-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1800\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 1dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 96dpi)\" \/><\/picture><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-162865\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2-872x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"352\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2-872x1024.jpg 872w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2-256x300.jpg 256w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2-768x902.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan2.jpg 1022w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/div><figcaption class=\"css-18crmh6 ewdxa0s0\"><span class=\"css-16f3y1r e13ogyst0\" aria-hidden=\"true\">Dylan says he doesn\u2019t think about mortality in a personal sense: \u201cI think about the death of the human race.\u201d <\/span><span class=\"css-cnj6d5 e1z0qqy90\"><span class=\"css-1ly73wi e1tej78p0\">Credit&#8230; <\/span>William C. Eckenberg\/The New York Times<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Perhaps someday he\u2019ll write a song or paint a picture to honor George Floyd. In the 1960s and 1970s, following the work of black leaders of the civil rights movement, Dylan also worked to expose the arrogance of white privilege and the viciousness of racial hatred in America through songs like \u201cGeorge Jackson,\u201d \u201cOnly a Pawn in Their Game,\u201d and \u201cThe Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll.\u201d One of his most fierce lines about policing and race came in his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=bpZvg_FjL3Q\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">1976 ballad \u201cHurricane\u201d<\/a>: \u201cIn Paterson that\u2019s just the way things go\/If you\u2019re black you might as well not show up on the street\/Unless you want to draw the heat.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I had a brief follow-up with Dylan, 79, one day after <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/05\/31\/us\/george-floyd-investigation.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >Floyd was killed in Minneapolis<\/a>. Clearly shaken by the horror that had occurred in his home state, he sounded depressed. \u201cIt sickened me no end to see George tortured to death like that,\u201d he said. \u201cIt was beyond ugly. Let\u2019s hope that justice comes swift for the Floyd family and for the nation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">These are edited excerpts from the two conversations.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Was \u201cMurder Most Foul\u201d written as a nostalgic eulogy for a long-lost time?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">To me it\u2019s not nostalgic. I don\u2019t think of \u201cMurder Most Foul\u201d as a glorification of the past or some kind of send-off to a lost age. It speaks to me in the moment. It always did, especially when I was writing the lyrics out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Somebody auctioned off a sheaf of unpublished transcripts in the 1990s that you wrote about J.F.K.\u2019s murder. Were those prose notes for an essay or were you hoping to write a song like \u201cMurder Most Foul\u201d for a long time?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I\u2019m not aware of ever wanting to write a song about J.F.K. A lot of those auctioned-off documents have been forged. The forgeries are easy to spot because somebody always signs my name on the bottom.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Were you surprised that this 17-minute-long song was your <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.billboard.com\/articles\/business\/chart-beat\/9354213\/bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-first-number-one-song-chart\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">first No. 1 Billboard hit<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I was, yeah.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"css-glu2jt\">\n<div class=\"css-1u3pw94\"><iframe class=\"css-uwwqev\" title=\"YouTube Video\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/3NbQkyvbw18\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div><figcaption class=\"css-17ai7jg e18f7pbr0\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">\u201cI Contain Multitudes\u201d has a powerful line: \u201cI sleep with life and death in the same bed.\u201d I suppose we all feel that way when we hit a certain age. Do you think about mortality often?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I think about the death of the human race. The long strange trip of the naked ape. Not to be light on it, but everybody\u2019s life is so transient. Every human being, no matter how strong or mighty, is frail when it comes to death. I think about it in general terms, not in a personal way.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">There is a lot of apocalyptic sentiment in \u201cMurder Most Foul.\u201d Are you worried that in 2020 we\u2019re past the point of no return? That technology and hyper-industrialization are going to work against human life on Earth?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Sure, there\u2019s a lot of reasons to be apprehensive about that. There\u2019s definitely a lot more anxiety and nervousness around now than there used to be. But that only applies to people of a certain age like me and you, Doug. We have a tendency to live in the past, but that\u2019s only us. Youngsters don\u2019t have that tendency. They have no past, so all they know is what they see and hear, and they\u2019ll believe anything. In 20 or 30 years from now, they\u2019ll be at the forefront. When you see somebody that is 10 years old, he\u2019s going to be in control in 20 or 30 years, and he won\u2019t have a clue about the world we knew. Young people who are in their teens now have no memory lane to remember. So it\u2019s probably best to get into that mind-set as soon as we can, because that\u2019s going to be the reality.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">As far as technology goes, it makes everybody vulnerable. But young people don\u2019t think like that. They could care less. Telecommunications and advanced technology is the world they were born into. Our world is already obsolete.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">A line in \u201cFalse Prophet\u201d \u2014 \u201cI\u2019m the last of the best \u2014 you can bury the rest\u201d \u2014\u00a0reminded me of the recent deaths of <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/04\/07\/arts\/music\/john-prine-dead-coronavirus.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >John Prine<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"> and <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/05\/09\/arts\/music\/little-richard-dead.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >Little Richard<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">. Did you listen to their music after they passed as a kind of tribute?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Both of those guys were triumphant in their work. They don\u2019t need anybody doing tributes. Everybody knows what they did and who they were. And they deserve all the respect and acclaim that they received. No doubt about it. But Little Richard I grew up with. And he was there before me. Lit a match under me. Tuned me into things I never would have known on my own. So I think of him differently. John came after me. So it\u2019s not the same thing. I acknowledge them differently.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-79elbk\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"css-1a48zt4 ehw59r15\" style=\"text-align: center;\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-children\">\n<figure class=\"css-jcw7oy e1g7ppur0\" role=\"group\" aria-label=\"media\">\n<div class=\"css-1xdhyk6 erfvjey0\">\n<div class=\"css-8h527k\">\n<div data-testid=\"lazyimage-container\"><picture class=\"css-1j5kxti\"><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan5\/merlin_173347644_4834280a-7dc5-4e2c-8749-d9e506cfc880-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=600\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 3dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 288dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan5\/merlin_173347644_4834280a-7dc5-4e2c-8749-d9e506cfc880-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1200\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 2dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 192dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan5\/merlin_173347644_4834280a-7dc5-4e2c-8749-d9e506cfc880-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1800\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 1dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 96dpi)\" \/><\/picture><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"css-1l44abu ewdxa0s0\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Why didn\u2019t more people pay attention to Little Richard\u2019s gospel music?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Probably because gospel music is the music of good news and in these days there just isn\u2019t any. Good news in today\u2019s world is like a fugitive, treated like a hoodlum and put on the run. Castigated. All we see is good-for-nothing news. And we have to thank the media industry for that. It stirs people up. Gossip and dirty laundry. Dark news that depresses and horrifies you.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">On the other hand, gospel news is exemplary. It can give you courage. You can pace your life accordingly, or try to, anyway. And you can do it with honor and principles. There are theories of truth in gospel but to most people it\u2019s unimportant. Their lives are lived out too fast. Too many bad influences. Sex and politics and murder is the way to go if you want to get people\u2019s attention. It excites us, that\u2019s our problem.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Little Richard was a great gospel singer. But I think he was looked at as an outsider or an interloper in the gospel world. They didn\u2019t accept him there. And of course the rock \u2019n\u2019 roll world wanted to keep him singing \u201cGood Golly, Miss Molly.\u201d So his gospel music wasn\u2019t accepted in either world. I think the same thing happened to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2007\/03\/18\/books\/chapters\/0318-1st-wald.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >Sister Rosetta Tharpe<\/a>. I can\u2019t imagine either of them being bothered too much about it. Both are what we used to call people of high character. Genuine, plenty talented and who knew themselves, weren\u2019t swayed by anything from the outside. Little Richard, I know was like that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">But so was Robert Johnson, even more so. Robert was one of the most inventive geniuses of all time. But he probably had no audience to speak of. He was so far ahead of his time that we still haven\u2019t caught up with him. His status today couldn\u2019t be any higher. Yet in his day, his songs must have confused people. It just goes to show you that great people follow their own path.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">On the album \u201cTempest\u201d you perform <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/album\/3uIkl8RFCDyYAJKF5X46XK?highlight=spotify:track:5stojyG84okCqK5InDvakq\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u201cRoll on John\u201d<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"> as a tribute to John Lennon. Is there another person you\u2019d like to write a ballad for?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Those kinds of songs for me just come out of the blue, out of thin air. I never plan to write any of them. But in saying that, there are certain public figures that are just in your subconscious for one reason or another. None of those songs with designated names are intentionally written. They just fall down from space. I\u2019m just as bewildered as anybody else as to why I write them. The folk tradition has a long history of songs about people, though. John Henry, Mr. Garfield, Roosevelt. I guess I\u2019m just locked into that tradition.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">You honor many great recording artists in your songs. Your mention of Don Henley and Glenn Frey on \u201cMurder Most Foul\u201d came off as a bit of a surprise to me. What Eagles songs do you enjoy the most?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">\u201cNew Kid in Town,\u201d \u201cLife in the Fast Lane,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ffBPxEO5vHQ\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u201cPretty Maids All in a Row.\u201d<\/a> That could be one of the best songs ever.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-79elbk\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"css-1a48zt4 ehw59r15\" style=\"text-align: center;\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-children\">\n<figure class=\"css-jcw7oy e1g7ppur0\" role=\"group\" aria-label=\"media\">\n<div class=\"css-1xdhyk6 erfvjey0\">\n<div class=\"css-8h527k\">\n<div data-testid=\"lazyimage-container\">\n<picture class=\"css-1j5kxti\"><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan2\/merlin_57825577_404d2e3b-61c7-4cb5-bb92-3b3d105e5cd5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=600\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 3dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 288dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan2\/merlin_57825577_404d2e3b-61c7-4cb5-bb92-3b3d105e5cd5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1200\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 2dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 192dpi)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan2\/merlin_57825577_404d2e3b-61c7-4cb5-bb92-3b3d105e5cd5-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=1800\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 1dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 96dpi)\" \/><\/picture>\n<div id=\"attachment_162866\" style=\"width: 370px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan3.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-162866\" class=\"size-full wp-image-162866\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"270\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan3.jpg 360w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/bob-dylan3-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-162866\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bob Dylan -Fordham Law News<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"css-1l44abu ewdxa0s0\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">You also refer to Art Pepper, Charlie Parker, Bud Powell, Thelonious Monk, Oscar Peterson and Stan Getz in \u201cMurder Most Foul.\u201d How has jazz inspired you as a songwriter and poet over your long career? Are there jazz artists you\u2019ve been listening to lately?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Maybe Miles\u2019s early stuff on Capitol Records. But what\u2019s jazz? Dixieland, bebop, high-speed fusion? What do you call jazz? Is it Sonny Rollins? I like Sonny\u2019s calypso stuff but is that jazz? Jo Stafford, Joni James, Kay Starr \u2014 I think they were all jazz singers. King Pleasure, that\u2019s my idea of a jazz singer. I don\u2019t know, you can put anything into that category. Jazz goes back to the Roaring Twenties. Paul Whiteman was called the king of jazz. I\u2019m sure if you asked Lester Young he wouldn\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Has any of it ever inspired me? Well yeah. Probably a lot. Ella Fitzgerald as a singer inspires me. Oscar Peterson as a piano player, absolutely. Has any of it inspired me as a songwriter? Yeah, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=u1O9YuXNbLs\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u201cRuby, My Dear\u201d by Monk<\/a>. That song set me off in some direction to do something along those lines. I remember listening to that over and over.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">What role does improvisation play in your music?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">None at all. There\u2019s no way you can change the nature of a song once you\u2019ve invented it. You can set different guitar or piano patterns upon the structural lines and go from there, but that\u2019s not improvisation. Improvisation leaves you open to good or bad performances and the idea is to stay consistent. You basically play the same thing time after time in the most perfect way you can.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">\u201cI Contain Multitudes\u201d is surprisingly autobiographical in parts. The last two verses exude a take-no-prisoners stoicism while the rest of the song is a humorous confessional. Did you have fun grappling with contradictory impulses of yourself and human nature in general?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I didn\u2019t really have to grapple much. It\u2019s the kind of thing where you pile up stream-of-consciousness verses and then leave it alone and come pull things out. In that particular song, the last few verses came first. So that\u2019s where the song was going all along. Obviously, the catalyst for the song is the title line. It\u2019s one of those where you write it on instinct. Kind of in a trance state. Most of my recent songs are like that. The lyrics are the real thing, tangible, they\u2019re not metaphors. The songs seem to know themselves and they know that I can sing them, vocally and rhythmically. They kind of write themselves and count on me to sing them.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"css-glu2jt\">\n<div class=\"css-1u3pw94\"><iframe class=\"css-uwwqev\" title=\"YouTube Video\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/pgEP8teNXwY\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div><figcaption class=\"css-17ai7jg e18f7pbr0\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Once again in this song you name a lot of people. What made you decide to mention Anne Frank next to Indiana Jones?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Her story means a lot. It\u2019s profound. And hard to articulate or paraphrase, especially in modern culture. Everybody\u2019s got such a short attention span. But you\u2019re taking Anne\u2019s name out of context, she\u2019s part of a trilogy. You could just as well ask, \u201cWhat made you decide to include Indiana Jones or the Rolling Stones?\u201d The names themselves are not solitary. It\u2019s the combination of them that adds up to something more than their singular parts. To go too much into detail is irrelevant. The song is like a painting, you can\u2019t see it all at once if you\u2019re standing too close. The individual pieces are just part of a whole.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">\u201cI Contain Multitudes\u201d is more like trance writing. Well, it\u2019s not more like trance writing, it is trance writing. It\u2019s the way I actually feel about things. It is my identity and I\u2019m not going to question it, I am in no position to. Every line has a particular purpose. Somewhere in the universe those three names must have paid a price for what they represent and they\u2019re locked together. And I can hardly explain that. Why or where or how, but those are the facts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">But Indiana Jones was a fictional character?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Yeah, but the John Williams score brought him to life. Without that music it wouldn\u2019t have been much of a movie. It\u2019s the music which makes Indy come alive. So that maybe is one of the reasons he is in the song. I don\u2019t know, all three names came at once.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">A reference to the Rolling Stones makes it into \u201cI Contain Multitudes.\u201d Just as a lark, which Stones songs do you wish you could\u2019ve written?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Oh, I don\u2019t know, maybe \u201cAngie,\u201d \u201cVentilator Blues\u201d and what else, let me see. Oh yeah, \u201cWild Horses.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-79elbk\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"css-15i50mc ehw59r12\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-children\">\n<div class=\"css-tux0zj ehw59r13\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-overlay\">\n<div class=\"css-m2ah1t ehw59r14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-8h527k\">\n<div class=\"css-1xdhyk6 erfvjey0\">\n<picture class=\"css-1j5kxti\"><source srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan6\/merlin_173347740_c0737567-9bb5-4559-ac1d-35905e70a723-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale&amp;width=600\" media=\"(max-width: 599px) and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 3),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 3dppx),(max-width: 599px) and (min-resolution: 288dpi)\" \/><\/picture>\n<div class=\"css-8h527k\">\n<div data-testid=\"lazyimage-container\"><picture class=\"css-1j5kxti\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"css-1m50asq aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan6\/merlin_173347740_c0737567-9bb5-4559-ac1d-35905e70a723-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale\" sizes=\"((min-width: 600px) and (max-width: 1004px)) 84vw, (min-width: 1005px) 60vw, 100vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan6\/merlin_173347740_c0737567-9bb5-4559-ac1d-35905e70a723-articleLarge.jpg?quality=90&amp;auto=webp 600w,https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan6\/merlin_173347740_c0737567-9bb5-4559-ac1d-35905e70a723-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&amp;auto=webp 1024w,https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2020\/06\/14\/arts\/14dylan6\/merlin_173347740_c0737567-9bb5-4559-ac1d-35905e70a723-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&amp;auto=webp 2048w\" alt=\"Dylan and a host of folk-music icons at the Newport Folk Festival in 1963.\" \/><\/picture><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"meteredContent css-1r7ky0e\">\n<div class=\"css-79elbk\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"css-1a48zt4 ehw59r15\" style=\"text-align: center;\" data-testid=\"photoviewer-children\">\n<figure class=\"css-jcw7oy e1g7ppur0\" role=\"group\" aria-label=\"media\"><figcaption class=\"css-1l44abu ewdxa0s0\"><span class=\"css-16f3y1r e13ogyst0\" aria-hidden=\"true\">Dylan and a host of folk-music icons at the Newport Folk Festival in 1963.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><span class=\"css-cnj6d5 e1z0qqy90\"><span class=\"css-1ly73wi e1tej78p0\">Credit&#8230;<\/span>Rowland Scherman\/Getty Images<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Charlie Sexton began playing with you for a few years in 1999, and returned to the fold in 2009. What makes him such a special player? It\u2019s as if you can read each other\u2019s minds.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">As far as Charlie goes, he can read anybody\u2019s mind. Charlie, though, creates songs and sings them as well, and he can play guitar to beat the band. There aren\u2019t any of my songs that Charlie doesn\u2019t feel part of and he\u2019s always played great with me. \u201cFalse Prophet\u201d is only one of three 12-bar structural things on this record. Charlie is good on all the songs. He\u2019s not a show-off guitar player, although he can do that if he wants. He\u2019s very restrained in his playing but can be explosive when he wants to be. It\u2019s a classic style of playing. Very old school. He inhabits a song rather than attacking it. He\u2019s always done that with me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">How have you spent the last couple of months home-sheltered in Malibu? Have you been able to weld or paint?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Yeah, a little bit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Are you able to be musically creative while at home? Do you play piano and tool around in your private studio?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I do that mostly in hotel rooms. A hotel room is the closest I get to a private studio.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Does having the Pacific Ocean in your backyard help you process the Covid-19 pandemic in a spiritual way? There is a theory called \u201cblue mind\u201d which believes that living near water is a health curative.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Yeah, I can believe that. \u201cCool Water,\u201d \u201cMany Rivers to Cross,\u201d \u201cHow Deep Is the Ocean.\u201d I hear any of those songs and it\u2019s like some kind of cure. I don\u2019t know what for, but a cure for something that I don\u2019t even know I have. A fix of some kind. It\u2019s like a spiritual thing. Water is a spiritual thing. I never heard of \u201cblue mind\u201d before. Sounds like it could be some kind of slow blues song. Something Van Morrison would write. Maybe he has, I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">It\u2019s too bad that just when the play <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/10\/01\/theater\/girl-from-the-north-country-review-bob-dylan.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >\u201cGirl From the North Country,\u201d<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"> which features your music, was getting <\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/10\/01\/theater\/girl-from-the-north-country-review-bob-dylan.html\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" >rave reviews<\/a><\/strong><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">, production had to shutter because of Covid-19. Have you seen the play or watched the video of it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Sure, I\u2019ve seen it and it affected me. I saw it as an anonymous spectator, not as someone who had anything to do with it. I just let it happen. The play had me crying at the end. I can\u2019t even say why. When the curtain came down, I was stunned. I really was. Too bad Broadway shut down because I wanted to see it again.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Do you think of this pandemic in almost biblical terms? A plague that has swept the land?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I think it\u2019s a forerunner of something else to come. It\u2019s an invasion for sure, and it\u2019s widespread, but biblical? You mean like some kind of warning sign for people to repent of their wrongdoings? That would imply that the world is in line for some sort of divine punishment. Extreme arrogance can have some disastrous penalties. Maybe we are on the eve of destruction. There are numerous ways you can think about this virus. I think you just have to let it run its course.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"css-glu2jt\">\n<div class=\"css-1u3pw94\"><iframe class=\"css-uwwqev\" title=\"YouTube Video\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/BYaLUzdyWWI\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div><figcaption class=\"css-17ai7jg e18f7pbr0\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Out of all your compositions, \u201cWhen I Paint My Masterpiece\u201d has grown on me over the years. What made you bring it back to the forefront of recent concerts?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">It\u2019s grown on me as well. I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that\u2019s out of reach. Someplace you\u2019d like to be beyond your experience. Something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain. That you\u2019ve achieved the unthinkable. That\u2019s what the song tries to say, and you\u2019d have to put it in that context. In saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously you have to paint another masterpiece. So it could become some kind of never ending cycle, a trap of some kind. The song doesn\u2019t say that though.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">A few years ago I saw you play a bluegrass-sounding version of \u201cSummer Days.\u201d Have you ever thought about recording a bluegrass album?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-1fanzo5 StoryBodyCompanionColumn\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">I\u2019ve never thought about that. Bluegrass music is mysterious and deep rooted and you almost have to be born playing it. Just because you are a great singer, or a great this or that doesn\u2019t mean you can be in a bluegrass band. It\u2019s almost like classical music. It\u2019s harmonic and meditative, but it\u2019s out for blood. If you ever heard <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=HJN5LiTyly0\" class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the Osborne Brothers<\/a>, then you know what I mean. It\u2019s an unforgiving music and you can only it stretch so far. Beatles songs played in a bluegrass style don\u2019t make any sense. It\u2019s the wrong repertoire, and that\u2019s been done. There are elements of bluegrass music for sure in what I play, especially the intensity and similar themes. But I don\u2019t have the high tenor voice and we don\u2019t have three-part harmony or consistent banjo. I listen to Bill Monroe a lot, but I more or less stick to what I can do best.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">How is your health holding up? You seem to be fit as a fiddle. How do you keep mind and body working together in unison?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"css-158dogj evys1bk0\">Oh, that\u2019s the big question, isn\u2019t it? How does anybody do it? Your mind and body go hand in hand. There has to be some kind of agreement. I like to think of the mind as spirit and the body as substance. How you integrate those two things, I have no idea. I just try to go on a straight line and stay on it, stay on the level.<\/p>\n<p>_____________________________________________<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-pncxxs etfikam0\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em>Douglas Brinkley is the Katherine Tsanoff Brown Chair in Humanities and professor of history at Rice University. He is the author of<\/em> \u201cAmerican Moonshot: John F. Kennedy and the Great Space Race.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"bottom-of-article\">\n<div class=\"css-1ubp8k9\">\n<div class=\"css-acwcvw\"><em><strong class=\"css-1vg6q84\">Correction:<\/strong>\u00a0<time class=\"css-7j4oxu e16638kd0\" datetime=\"2020-06-12T00:00:00-04:00\">June 12, 2020 &#8211; <\/time>An earlier version of this article misspelled a name in a lyric in \u201cKey West (Philosopher\u2019s Pirate).\u201d It is \u201cGinsberg, Corso and Kerouac,\u201d not \u201cGinsburg, Corso and Kerouac.\u201d<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"css-13ldwoe\"><em>A version of this article appears in print on <time class=\"css-10rvbm3\" datetime=\"2020-06-14T04:00:00.000Z\" data-testid=\"todays-date\">June 14, 2020<\/time>, Section AR, Page 8 of the New York edition with the headline: Still Painting His Masterpieces.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/06\/12\/arts\/music\/bob-dylan-rough-and-rowdy-ways.html\" >Go to Original &#8211; nytimes.com<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>12 Jun 2020 &#8211; In a rare interview, the Nobel Prize winner discusses mortality, drawing inspiration from the past, and his new album, \u201cRough and Rowdy Ways.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":162862,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[105],"tags":[1895,129],"class_list":["post-162860","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-nobel-laureates","tag-bob-dylan","tag-music"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/162860","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=162860"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/162860\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/162862"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=162860"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=162860"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=162860"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}