{"id":211492,"date":"2022-05-16T12:00:58","date_gmt":"2022-05-16T11:00:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/?p=211492"},"modified":"2022-05-13T09:16:42","modified_gmt":"2022-05-13T08:16:42","slug":"white-house-rejects-rep-seth-moultons-characterization-of-a-proxy-war-with-russia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/2022\/05\/white-house-rejects-rep-seth-moultons-characterization-of-a-proxy-war-with-russia\/","title":{"rendered":"White House Rejects Rep. Seth Moulton\u2019s Characterization of a \u201cProxy War\u201d with Russia"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p><em>Biden has dished out his own escalatory rhetoric, calling Putin a war criminal and suggesting that the Russian president couldn\u2019t remain in power.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_211493\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-211493\" class=\"wp-image-211493\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house-1024x512.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house-1536x768.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/biden-white-house.jpg 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-211493\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">President Joe Biden meets with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and combatant commanders in the White House on April 20, 2022, in Washington, D.C. Photo: Win McNamee\/Getty Images<\/p><\/div>\n<p><em>11 May 2022 &#8211; <\/em>The White House told The Intercept that it rejects the characterization of the war in Ukraine as a proxy war between the United States and Russia, an assertion recently advanced by Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ryangrim\/status\/1523047697451786240\" >during a Fox News appearance<\/a>. \u201cWe\u2019re not just at war to support the Ukrainians. We\u2019re fundamentally at war, although somewhat through a proxy, with Russia, and it\u2019s important that we win,\u201d Moulton said.<\/p>\n<div class=\"PostContent\" data-reactid=\"179\">\n<div data-reactid=\"180\">\n<p>Asked if the White House shared Moulton\u2019s view of the nature of the conflict, White House spokesperson Andrew Bates was blunt: \u201cNo,\u201d said Bates in a statement to The Intercept. \u201cPresident Biden has been clear that U.S. forces are not and will not engage in a conflict with Russia. We are supporting the Ukrainian people as they defend their country, which is exactly what President Biden told Putin we would do if he invaded.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\"191\">\n<p>The question of whether the U.S. is fundamentally at war against Russia through a proxy in Ukraine was raised as well by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who was asked during a press conference what the U.S. considered a success in the war. He said that the goal was for \u201cUkraine [to] remain a sovereign country, a democratic country, able to protect its sovereign territory.\u201d But, he added,\u00a0\u201cwe want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can\u2019t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine.\u201d Press secretary Jen Psaki later walked back the comments, saying Austin was talking about the U.S. objective to prevent Russia from taking over Ukraine and countries beyond it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\"193\">\n<p>On Monday, President Joe Biden said he was worried that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been left without a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/europe\/biden-says-he-is-worried-putin-does-not-have-way-out-ukraine-war-2022-05-10\/\" >way out of the war<\/a>. But whether Putin has a way out depends to some extent on whether the U.S. is determined to wage a proxy war against Russia or whether the U.S. decides to push toward a negotiated end to the conflict launched by Putin\u2019s invasion of Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p>According to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pravda.com.ua\/eng\/news\/2022\/05\/5\/7344206\/\" >Ukrainska Pravda<\/a>, sourcing its report to those close to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told the Ukrainian leader that even if Ukraine wanted to sign a peace deal, the West remained committed to confronting Russia.\u00a0Biden\u2019s own statements calling the war a genocide and for Putin to be tried for war crimes could also foreclose an easy exit.<\/p>\n<p>When asked about the White House\u2019s response, Moulton said, \u201cWhatever you want to call it, this is a new type of conflict and it is bigger than just Ukraine,\u201d and pointed to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/opinion\/russia-ukraine-new-war-grand-strategy-rep-seth-moulton\" >his op-ed<\/a> for Fox News. \u201cHowever this ends,\u201d he writes, \u201cwe cannot make the mistake \u2013 again \u2013 of believing that Putin will stop here. We\u2019re witnessing the first days of a new world order.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The U.S. media and political class have been sending increasingly escalatory messages toward Russia in recent days. Moulton\u2019s \u201cfundamentally at war\u201d comments followed a New York Times article in which government officials claimed credit for intelligence sharing that led to the killing of multiple Russian generals. That was followed the next day by a Washington Post article similarly claiming credit for the sinking of the Russian flagship Moskva. The Biden White House responded by saying that it was disturbed at the links and found them counterproductive. Which direction the heat travels, up or down, could determine whether we all end up dead and the planet left a nuclear wasteland.<\/p>\n<p>Biden has been urging Congress for a quick infusion of $33 billion to fund Ukraine\u2019s not-a-proxy war, agreeing to separate the package legislatively from Covid-19 relief so that the needs of the American people don\u2019t slow down the war effort.<\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t the first clash that Moulton has had with Biden. Last year, Moulton called the withdrawal from Afghanistan a \u201cdisaster\u201d \u2014 and the Biden administration heavily criticized Moulton for secretly freelancing his way into Afghanistan to survey the situation. \u201cIt\u2019s as moronic as it is selfish,\u201d an anonymous senior administration official <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/politics\/congress-kabul-trip-evacuation\/2021\/08\/24\/77f7673a-0501-11ec-a266-7c7fe02fa374_story.html\" >told the Washington Post<\/a>. \u201cThey\u2019re taking seats away from Americans and at-risk Afghans \u2014 while putting our diplomats and service members at greater risk \u2014 so they can have a moment in front of the cameras.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/Ryan-Grim-e1567063113338.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-141700\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/Ryan-Grim-e1567063113338.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" \/><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theintercept.com\/staff\/ryangrim\/\" >Ryan Grim &#8211; <\/a><a href=\"mailto:ryan.grim@theintercept.com\" data-reactid=\"212\">ryan.grim@\u200btheintercept.com<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theintercept.com\/2022\/05\/10\/russia-ukraine-proxy-war-white-house-seth-moulton\/?utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter\" >Go to Original &#8211; theintercept.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>11 May 2022 &#8211; Biden has dished out his own escalatory rhetoric, calling Putin a war criminal and suggesting that the Russian president couldn\u2019t remain in power.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":211493,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[65],"tags":[2197,253,278,961,70],"class_list":["post-211492","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anglo-america","tag-biden","tag-putin","tag-russia","tag-ukraine","tag-usa"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211492","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=211492"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211492\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/211493"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=211492"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=211492"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=211492"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}