{"id":30202,"date":"2013-06-17T12:00:53","date_gmt":"2013-06-17T11:00:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/?p=30202"},"modified":"2015-05-06T09:00:16","modified_gmt":"2015-05-06T08:00:16","slug":"whale-war-fugitive-q-a-with-paul-watson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/2013\/06\/whale-war-fugitive-q-a-with-paul-watson\/","title":{"rendered":"Whale-War Fugitive: Q. & A. with Paul Watson"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson. Photograph from 2007 by James Nachtwey\/VII.<\/p><\/div>\n

Fans of Animal Planet\u2019s \u201cWhale Wars,\u201d a reality show that documents members of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society<\/a> battling Japanese whalers every winter in the Southern Ocean, will have to wait several months longer than usual for the show\u2019s new season to premi\u00e8re. The airdate for \u201cWhale Wars,\u201d usually slated for June, has been pushed back, possibly to the fall, or even to 2014. In the past year, Sea Shepherd has become mired in litigation, diplomatic pressure, I.R.S. audits, and Interpol notices, and Animal Planet decided that, instead of placing its own crew on Sea Shepherd ships, it would stitch together episodes from footage that the activists shot of themselves. This may be a first for a reality show\u2014certainly one this popular\u2014but if Animal Planet is able to pull together a season that has integrity, the sixth installment of \u201cWhale Wars\u201d promises to be the show\u2019s most entertaining and provocative. Nine ships went head-to-head in the Southern Ocean, and Sea Shepherd began its campaign against the Japanese fleet with a few surprises\u2014among them the secret whereabouts of its founder, Paul Watson, who evaded house arrest in Germany, and joined the campaign as a fugitive. In January, I was able to speak with Watson via Skype. He was on one of the Sea Shepherd vessels, the Steve Irwin. Behind him, on a wall, there was a traditional garment from Fiji, an Iroquois flag, and a Templar sword. He was in good spirits. For the first time, Sea Shepherd was in position before the Japanese fleet, and Watson was confident that its growing navy could prevent the whaling vessels from killing even one whale.<\/p>\n

Khatchadourian:<\/i><\/b> Is this now your ninth campaign in the Southern Ocean against the Japanese whaling fleet?<\/i><\/p>\n

Watson:<\/b> I have actually led more expeditions to Antarctica than Scott, Amundsen, and Shackleton put together.<\/p>\n

K.:<\/i><\/b> And what have you learned?<\/i><\/p>\n

W.:<\/b> We become better every year at finding the Japanese fleet. The only effective tactic is to block their ability to load whales onto their factory ship, the Nisshin Maru, and so that is what we focus on. If we can block the stern slipway<\/a> of the Nisshin Maru, that puts an end to the whaling operation. Then we just keep them running. If they are running, they are not killing whales. So we found a way to stop them, and we implement that. But this year things are a little different.<\/p>\n

How so?<\/i><\/p>\n

In December, 2011, the Institute of Cetacean Research, which runs the Japanese whaling operation, brought a lawsuit against us in a U.S. court, demanding an injunction to stop us from interfering with their operations. In March of last year, the trial judge denied that injunction, but then an appellate court reversed the decision. We were informed in a one-page document without any legal arguments. Just today, we asked for a reconsideration with legal arguments, and they responded with one word: denied<\/i>. According to our lawyers, that is unprecedented, but that is the situation we are in: an injunction that prohibits us from going closer than five hundred yards to a whaling ship. It doesn\u2019t prevent them from approaching us\u2014and if they approach us we can be in violation.<\/p>\n

So how do you intend to deal with that?<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, the U.S. court has authority over Sea Shepherd U.S.A., and it has authority over me, as a U.S. citizen, but it doesn\u2019t have authority over the ships. So Sea Shepherd U.S.A. withdrew completely from the campaign, and I resigned as the president of Sea Shepherd U.S.A., and I also resigned as the executive director. Two of the ships are Dutch owned, and Dutch flagged; two of the ships are Australian owned, and Australian flagged.<\/p>\n

So is it hard for Paul Watson to be just an observer?<\/i><\/p>\n

Not really, because this is our ninth campaign, and it is really set up so that everything\u2014you know, the whole structure takes care of itself. I, myself, will not violate the injunction, so I will not approach within five hundred yards of a whaling vessel, but that doesn\u2019t stop the ships from doing it. I\u2019ll just have to remove myself to one of the ships, and stay away. So we are certainly going to comply, even though the injunction is unjust. Hopefully we will turn this around.<\/p>\n

Why is all this happening now, do you think?<\/i><\/p>\n

Because, in October, 2011, the Japanese diverted thirty million dollars from its tsunami-relief fund into to its whaling operation, including \u201ccountermeasure expenses\u201d for the fleet, and\u2014<\/p>\n

Wait, how do you know that?<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, that\u2019s common knowledge. It can easily be looked<\/a> up<\/a>. It was in a document put out by the Japanese fisheries agency.<\/p>\n

But the pressure has been ratcheting up for some time; Sea Shepherd has had problems maintaining its nonprofit tax status, too?<\/i><\/p>\n

Yeah, that\u2019s very interesting, because the I.R.S. is coming after us. We\u2019ve already had two audits. A couple of years ago, WikiLeaks released a diplomatic cable<\/a> showing that Monica Medina, the U.S. representative to the International Whaling Commission, was working out a deal with the Japanese government\u2014they want Sea Shepherd shut down<\/a> in the United States, and they wanted our tax status pulled. And it looked like Monica Medina was saying that she could do that. And I had to remind them that it is a crime in the United States\u2014for the United States to use the I.R.S. as a weapon against a nonprofit organization at the request of a foreign government, and that\u2019s what they\u2019re doing. They backed off, but now the I.R.S. is coming after us again.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m just curious\u2014what do you think of WikiLeaks and Julian Assange?<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, I don\u2019t think that any government has a right to subvert the truth, or to cover up the truth, and all I see WikiLeaks doing is exposing the truth.<\/p>\n

And, like Julian Assange, you were also arrested and detained earlier this year, and you dealt with it in your own way.<\/i><\/p>\n

In December, 2011, the President of Costa Rica met with<\/a> the Prime Minister of Japan, and shortly thereafter I found myself charged with threatening to sink a Costa Rican long-liner. This goes back to 2002, and the whole incident was all taken care of years ago. It\u2019s all documented in the film \u201cSharkwater<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n

I remember. We were travelling together when that film came out, and a clip of the incident<\/a> is online.<\/i><\/p>\n

The whole thing was dismissed by a Costa Rican court in 2006. We have a lawyer in Costa Rica who said, \u201cWell, this thing has exceeded the statute of limitations,\u201d and they said, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to entertain that. He can come here and then we can talk about dismissing the charges.\u201d But they don\u2019t want to charge me; they want me to come there so that they can extradite me to Japan\u2014<\/p>\n

On what basis?<\/i><\/p>\n

What we believe happened is that Japan initially asked Interpol to issue a Red Notice on me, calling for my arrest, and that this was basically denied on political grounds. [An Interpol spokesperson, declining to confirm or deny this, said that only forty per cent of all Red Notices are made public.<\/i>] Costa Rica also made a request, and that was denied<\/a>. It didn\u2019t comply with Interpol rules\u2014apparently because it was politically motivated, too. But, in May of last year, I was on my way to the Cannes Film Festival, and, unfortunately for me, I took a Lufthansa flight through Frankfurt, and in Frankfurt they arrested me on the Costa Rican warrant\u2014despite the fact that Interpol had dismissed it. Germany\u2019s argument was they could take action on their own, without worrying about Interpol. So I was stuck there for two months, and while I was there Japan applied to Germany directly for permission to extradite me to Japan.<\/p>\n

And were you in prison then, or house arrest, or what?<\/i><\/p>\n

I was in prison for eight days and released on a two-hundred-and-fifty-thousand-euro bond. I had to report to the Frankfurt police every day. One Friday in July, I was advised by a contact in the Ministry of Justice that when I came in on the next Monday they would detain me and send me to Japan, not Costa Rica. Now, I know that when I get sent to Japan I\u2019m not going to leave, so it was a no-brainer: I had to leave. So I made my way\u2014even though they still had my passport\u2014made my way, over four months, from Germany to the South Pacific to rejoin my ship, which wasn\u2019t exactly easy.<\/p>\n

How did you escape?<\/i><\/p>\n

We brought a ship up from France to the Netherlands, and I drove up from Germany to the Netherlands, and went by sea.<\/p>\n

You can do that without a passport?<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, there are no border points between Germany and the Netherlands.<\/p>\n

So you left Germany in July, and boarded a ship in the Netherlands. Does that mean you just disregarded the terms of your German house arrest, and were at sea while this extradition request was still active?<\/i><\/p>\n

Basically, yeah<\/a>. I am untouchable at sea. So it was a long, long way to go. I joined the Steve Irwin off of American Samoa in late November, 2012.<\/p>\n

So, at this moment, what\u2019s your view from the bow?<\/i><\/p>\n

We\u2019re in the Southern Ocean right now, just off of the ice shelf. I am here with two other vessels, the Brigitte Bardot and the Bob Barker. A fourth vessel, the Sam Simon, is about four days behind us, and came out of Hobart, Australia. So we\u2019ll have four ships here when the Japanese fleet arrives.<\/p>\n

The Sam Simon is a vessel that you just secretly purchased\u2014a surprise that you announced just as the whaling season started.<\/i><\/p>\n

It\u2019s an interesting vessel because we bought it from the Japanese. It was moored right along the Japanese whaling fleet when we bought it, and not only did they sell it to us\u2014not knowing that they were selling it to us\u2014but they delivered it to Australia for us. So we kept it in its original white<\/a> color, and \u201cRESEARCH\u201d is painted on the side, so it looks like one of their ships.<\/p>\n

I read an interview with a Sea Shepherd staff member who said that the psychological element\u2014I guess, as it always is with your campaigns\u2014was important: using one of their own vessels against them.<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, they are pretty upset about it, I think, because it is a culture where they don\u2019t like to be humiliated, and I think we did that.<\/p>\n

When my New Yorker piece about Sea Shepherd, \u201cNeptune\u2019s Navy<\/a>,\u201d was published, in 2007, the title seemed to be somewhat notional, but you\u2019re slowly acquiring a genuine fleet.<\/i><\/p>\n

It looks like a convoy out here right now.<\/p>\n

Aside from the Sam Simon, your other ships this year are all painted with some kind of ocean camouflage<\/a>. Is there a technical reason for this, or is to just make the ships look ferocious\u2014more psychological warfare?<\/i><\/p>\n

Well, the ships were painted black before, and the disadvantage of that is that when we started doing campaigns in the Mediterranean the ships got excessively hot. Black is great for Antarctica, but it doesn\u2019t work for the Mediterranean. So we decided that we had to get a different color scheme. The color scheme that you see is camouflage called \u201crazzle dazzle,\u201d and it was quite common on warships in World War I. On the Steve Irwin, you\u2019ll even see a big \u201c77\u201d on the bow, and that was put on there because we had to transit the Suez Canal a number of times, which meant we had to run along the Somali coast. With the camouflage and the big 77 we look like a naval vessel. Pirates did come out but they just backed away real fast. In fact, it was so good at impersonating a naval vessel that that we had a U.S. Black Hawk come and hail us as a Dutch warship.<\/p>\n

And as far as technology goes, a few years ago, you told me about some new technology that you were bringing with you\u2014a device called an LRAD, or an acoustic disabling device like it. Did you bring any new gadgets this time?<\/i><\/p>\n

What is interesting about the LRADs is that the Japanese used LRADs against us<\/a>, and then we were able to obtain a similar device, which we used just once. After using it, Japan shut down their LRADs\u2014they never used them again. So it was sort of like a countermeasure that worked. Now what we have are military-style drones. We have three of them. We got a million-dollar donation specifically for drone technology, so we have the three drones aboard the ships, and with them we are capable of covering hundreds of miles. We\u2019ll use those for reconnaissance for finding the whaling ships, and also for documentation. So what we have is four ships, a helicopter, and three drones, plus a hundred and twenty different volunteers from twenty-four different nations.<\/p>\n

What is your ambition with all that firepower?<\/i><\/p>\n

Last year, the Japanese fleet took only a fraction of their kill quota, and we cost them\u2014according to them\u2014twenty-one million dollars<\/a>. The year before that, they took even less, so we have been hitting them pretty hard. This year, with our four ships, we feel confident we can strive for a zero quota. Our objective is to meet them before they arrive and start right at the beginning.<\/p>\n

Why didn\u2019t Animal Planet put its crew on your ships this year?<\/i><\/p>\n

Japan has threatened the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet with lawsuits, making all sorts of demands on them. There are camera crews on all the vessels\u2014not Animal Planet camera crews\u2014and the footage they are taking will be made into \u201cWhale Wars\u201d season six. [A network spokesperson said, \u201cUltimately, it was a business decision to not send an Animal Planet production crew.\u201d<\/i>]<\/p>\n

*\u00a0*\u00a0*<\/p>\n

Not long after I spoke to Watson, the Sea Shepherd crew found and confronted the Japanese fleet, which was seeking to harvest a maximum of nine hundred and thirty-five minke whales, and fifty endangered fin whales. Predictably, there were controversial encounters. In February, Watson released footage<\/a> of Japanese crewmen firing concussion grenades at the Sea Shepherd volunteers, and ramming a vessel. (\u201cIt\u2019s a very intense situation,\u201d he told an Australian paper from his vessel.) The I.C.R. released its own footage, along with press statements alleging that the Sea Shepherd crew had engaged in high-seas \u201cillegal harassment and terrorism<\/a>.\u201d At the end of the season, Yoshimasa Hayashi, the Japanese Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Minister, announced that the fleet\u2019s harvest\u2014a hundred and three minke whales, and no fin whales\u2014was a record low, due to \u201cunforgiveable sabotage<\/a>.\u201d He promised that Japan would seek out \u201cmore support from other countries to conduct research whaling in a stable manner.\u201d Translation: the whaling operation will be digging in its heels.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe Japanese are carrying out their work\u2014it\u2019s public; it\u2019s legal\u2014and they are being attacked, and anybody who is being attacked has a right to protect their own interests,\u201d Gavin Carter, a spokesman for the I.C.R., told me. He pointed out that, last summer, the International Whaling Commission had released a scientific estimate<\/a>, based on years of study, that there were more than half a million minke whales in the Southern Ocean\u2014a number, he said, that made the Japanese quota insignificant in terms of its over-all impact on the species. \u201cSo focussing on these numbers tends to obscure the fact that the minke population is in pretty good shape, and it can misinform the public by implying that the sabotage is having an important beneficial impact on the long-term populations of Antarctic minke whales.\u201d (He dismissed a recent peer-reviewed study<\/a> by Stanford researchers indicating that the health of the minke whale population is not assured, or that the I.U.C.N.\u2019s current listing for the species is \u201cData Deficient<\/a>\u201d\u2014a term indicating there is not enough information to judge its robustness\u2014or that the International Whaling Commission\u2019s own scientific estimate was paired with the disclaimer that it was unable to rule out<\/a> a \u201creal decline in minke whale abundance.\u201d) Legal and diplomatic pressure, Carter suggested, was inevitable. \u201cWhen you think about it, the harassment and sabotage has been escalating every year,\u201d he said. \u201cUltimately, the Japanese were pushed and pushed and pushed.\u201d<\/p>\n

The conflict will surely continue to escalate as it moves back and forth between international waters and courts of varying jurisdiction. In February, the Ninth Circuit filed the legal opinion<\/a> behind its ruling on the injunction. The judge who authored the decision compared Watson to a cartoon buccaneer with a \u201cpeg leg or an eye patch,\u201d and he said, \u201cWhen you ram ships; hurl glass containers of acid; drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders; launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate, no matter how high-minded you believe your purpose to be.\u201d Australia has filed a lawsuit in The Hague challenging the legality of the Japanese whale hunt. And, earlier this year, Sea Shepherd filed criminal complaints in Oregon, over the destruction one of its ships<\/a> during the 2010 campaign, and in the Netherlands, accusing the crew of the Nisshin Maru of \u201csea robbery,\u201d for ramming one of its Dutch-flagged vessels in January.<\/p>\n

Watson, meanwhile, still faces detention. Germany withdrew its arrest warrant, but Japan and Costa Rica resubmitted their paperwork to Interpol, which finally<\/a> accepted<\/a> them<\/a>, prompting Watson to take refuge on the high seas. His whereabouts remain secret. When I interviewed him in January, I asked where he would go after the campaign ended and Sea Shepherd\u2019s ships had returned to port. \u201cWell, I can stay at sea,\u201d he promised. \u201cThat\u2019s not a problem.\u201d<\/p>\n

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