{"id":82604,"date":"2016-12-05T12:00:10","date_gmt":"2016-12-05T12:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/?p=82604"},"modified":"2016-11-06T17:28:27","modified_gmt":"2016-11-06T17:28:27","slug":"whats-next-parecon-or-participatory-economics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/2016\/12\/whats-next-parecon-or-participatory-economics\/","title":{"rendered":"What\u2019s Next? Parecon, or Participatory Economics"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">3 Nov 2016 &#8211; <em>This paper is one of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/thenextsystem.org\/new-systems-possibilities-and-proposals\/\" >many proposals for a systemic alternative<\/a> we have published or will be publishing here at the Next System Project. We have commissioned these papers in order to facilitate an informed and comprehensive discussion of \u201cnew systems,\u201d and as part of this effort we have also created <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/thenextsystem.org\/next-system-project-comparative-framework\" >a comparative framework<\/a> which provides a basis for evaluating system proposals according to a common set of criteria.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-82605\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert-1024x450.jpg\" alt=\"parecon-economics-michael-albert\" width=\"600\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert-1024x450.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert-300x132.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert-768x337.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/parecon-economics-Michael-Albert.jpg 1296w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>An Introduction to Participatory Economics <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>People now fighting economic injustice have no right to decide how future people should\u00a0live. But we do have a responsibility to provide an institutional setting that facilitates future\u00a0people deciding for themselves what their own conditions of life and work should be. To this\u00a0end, participatory economics, or parecon, describes the core institutions required to generate\u00a0solidarity, equity, self-management, and an ecologically sound and classless economy.<\/p>\n<p>Parecon first advocates self-management by workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019 councils, federated by\u00a0industry and region, as society\u2019s primary venues of economic decision making. \u201cSelf-management\u201d\u00a0means people and groups have decision-making influence in proportion to the extent\u00a0to which they are affected by the decision in question.<\/p>\n<p>In the case of issues that affect overwhelmingly just one person, that person\u00a0should make the decision\u2014albeit in the context of broader guidelines, such as\u00a0those regarding the length of the workday or defining job responsibilities, already\u00a0in place as a result of collective decision-making processes involving a wider\u00a0range of participants. In the case of issues affecting overwhelmingly a work team,\u00a0that work team should decide\u2014again, typically abiding by broader guidelines\u00a0that, for example, address the duration of the workday and the plan for the flow\u00a0of production.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes the best way to get self-management is to seek consensus. At other\u00a0times, a simple \u201cone person, one vote\u201d majority rule may be best. On still other\u00a0occasions, other methods may make sense. A key insight is that those involved\u00a0must not only have appropriate say, but also understand the circumstances and\u00a0information suitable for developing relevant opinions, engaging in relevant discussions,\u00a0and setting workable agendas.<\/p>\n<p>Parecon-ish equity therefore means you get more income for working harder, longer,\u00a0or under worse conditions, as long as you are producing things people want.<\/p>\n<p>The benefits and costs any economic actor faces should be the same as those\u00a0faced by everyone else because we are all people and all entitled to comparable conditions of life.<\/p>\n<p>Imagine two people who do the same job, for the same duration, at the same\u00a0 intensity, under the same conditions, and so have the same income. Now, suppose\u00a0the former person wants more income to consume more. Parecon recognizes\u00a0that it is perfectly predictable and reasonable that people should vary in their\u00a0tastes for consumption goods and services. But, says parecon, it wouldn\u2019t be fair\u00a0if income changes were implemented by fiat. What makes the accumulation of\u00a0more income fair is if the person wanting more income arranges to work longer\u00a0or harder or under worse conditions.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>The benefits and costs any economic actor faces should be the same as those\u00a0faced by everyone else because we are all people and all entitled to comparable\u00a0conditions of life.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, suppose, instead, someone doesn\u2019t care nearly so much about\u00a0consumption of goods and services as the average person, but wants more free\u00a0time. Parecon says, that fair compensation practices allow, if possible, that the\u00a0person can arrange to work fewer hours and take a smaller share of the social\u00a0product. The idea is that the overall impact of work and consumption taken\u00a0together on \u201cconditions of life\u201d for the two people remains equitable.<\/p>\n<p>Consider the surgeon who has to undertake a college education, medical school,\u00a0and an internship prior to becoming a practicing surgeon earning a surgeon\u2019s\u00a0pay. The surgeon\u2019s pay needs to be very high, claims the professional economist,\u00a0journalist, teacher, and so on, or the prospective surgeon won\u2019t follow the path.\u00a0Absent high incentives for being a surgeon, people won\u2019t do it. The same is true\u00a0for being a doctor, lawyer, accountant, professor, high-level designer, scientist, and\u00a0so on. Lacking high incentives to attract new members, says the pundit, these\u00a0professions will die for want of people doing them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Incentives are\u00a0needed precisely when one is being asked to do something more onerous, or more\u00a0time consuming, or more intense. But you don\u2019t need an incentive to work shorter\u00a0hours, at lower intensity, or under less onerous conditions.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But suppose that instead of simply accepting this familiar claim, we test it. Think of\u00a0telling a student leaving high school and hoping to be a surgeon that a big change\u00a0in society has made it the case that surgeon\u2019s salaries, instead of being $600,000 a\u00a0year, are henceforth going to be $80,000 a year. Will the student, as a result, reject\u00a0the idea of going to college, attending medical school, and being an intern before\u00a0becoming a surgeon because he or she could immediately begin a life-long career\u00a0working in a coal mine, even supposing that coal mining pays $90,000 a year?\u00a0Try asking some students. None will say they will switch\u2014not one. Incentives are\u00a0needed precisely when one is being asked to do something more onerous, or more\u00a0time consuming, or more intense. But you don\u2019t need an incentive to work shorter\u00a0hours, at lower intensity, or under less onerous conditions.<\/p>\n<p>Because some time, even in a worthy economy, has to go to work that isn\u2019t as\u00a0intrinsically rewarding as playing, studying, resting, or being with family. And\u00a0some time even has to go to downright onerous work that is intrinsically unpleasant\u00a0and unfulfilling, even when we understand and are motived by the benefits it\u00a0bestows on society. Incentives matter. Parecon provides them.\u00a0The additional information issue, often overlooked, is this: Someone might reply\u00a0to the above, \u201cNo, we don\u2019t need to correlate income and work. We just need\u00a0people to understand the importance of each role and what the responsible, moral\u00a0choice to make is, and they will act on that understanding.\u201d The person adds, \u201cI\u00a0get that parecon has incentives which will yield a wonderful allotment of people\u2019s\u00a0energies and a distribution of the social output that is just, fair, and rewarding for\u00a0all. But even so, I believe we can get that same allotment without bribing folks\u00a0with payment for labor. That is demeaning, so why should we have payments?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A first answer is that thinking of income rights as bribery is a bit odd, unless we\u00a0are talking about income as it is in vile economies. But let\u2019s set that aside.<\/p>\n<p>If we disconnect work from income by having people work however much and at\u00a0whatever they want while also having them consume however much and whatever\u00a0they want without requiring a connection between the two decisions, we\u00a0won\u2019t get as good an allotment as with parecon\u2019s approach. People will typically\u00a0choose to work too little for the social good to be optimally met and will likewise\u00a0choose to take too much from the system, which will fail to deliver because the\u00a0available output will fall well short of available demands for income.<\/p>\n<p>This shortfall of work and excess of demand will not occur because people are\u00a0greedy, lazy, or irresponsible, but because in this setting people will have no way\u00a0to know what is responsible and moral, and they will not and should not wish to\u00a0mistakenly police themselves into working too much or having too little income.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, good people in a good economy should in fact prefer to work fewer\u00a0 hours, less intensely, and under less onerous conditions for a given income. And\u00a0the same people should want to receive more income, for a given number of work\u00a0hours, intensity, and onerousness. Indicating that they want less work and more\u00a0income is critically important to the economy innovating to make that happen,\u00a0to the extent that (i) it is possible and desirable to do so and (ii) consistent with\u00a0acceptable social and ecological implications.<\/p>\n<p>No one can know\u2014in the abstract\u2014what is a fair amount to offer to produce, or\u00a0what is a fair amount to ask to consume, because what is fair depends hugely on\u00a0the available tools, resources, knowledge, needs, desires, and so on. Fairness is not\u00a0prescribed on a tablet but instead has to emerge from a discussion of what people\u00a0want as their income, working conditions, and working hours. By disconnecting\u00a0production and consumption decisions, we would lose the means of knowing\u00a0what is responsible, leaving people to curb their own appetites and desires rather\u00a0than express them. It probably shouldn\u2019t need saying, but for completeness: people\u00a0being able to receive income from merely doing anything they want is also\u00a0hugely problematic. I would like to play professional tennis at Wimbledon, but\u00a0as it would have no social value it should not be remunerated.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Parecon advocates for self-management by\u00a0workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019 councils as society\u2019s\u00a0primary venues of economic decision making.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Likewise, without indications not just of people wanting x (where x is some good\u00a0such as a product, some leisure, a type of work, clean air, and so on) but of how\u00a0much they want x relative to their other preferences, there is no way for producers\u00a0to know how much x it is appropriate to produce, or where to invest.<\/p>\n<p>Something close to self-managing councils and equitable remuneration is very\u00a0 often adopted in real circumstances by at least some real workplaces. Worker\u00a0 cooperatives have no owners and typically don\u2019t reward property, power, or output,\u00a0but they do tend to equalize wages and utilize a workplace council for decisions.\u00a0So do occupied factories, as in hundreds of instances in Argentina not so\u00a0long ago, and as currently in Venezuela. In such cases the owner either leaves, or\u00a0is ejected, or didn\u2019t exist from the outset. Salaries are equalized but then typically\u00a0vary for duration. Councils function democratically and often use the flexible\u00a0means described above, with teams deciding their own circumstances and using\u00a0different tallying for different situations.<\/p>\n<p>However, a problem often arises. In time, initial excitement starts to dissipate.\u00a0 Workers start to skip council meetings. A few people wind up determining\u00a0options. Income differentials enlarge. Alienation ensues. And, finally, participants\u00a0blame themselves. \u201cThis is who we are,\u201d they think. \u201cIt must be in our genes to\u00a0have growing disparities of income, power, and circumstance. We tried. It didn\u2019t\u00a0work. There really is no alternative.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To counter this depressing outcome, parecon balances all jobs so they each have\u00a0 roughly the same overall empowerment effect. The challenge is in staving off\u00a0 corporate divisions of labor.<\/p>\n<p>In corporate divisions of labor, about 80 percent of the workforce perform jobs\u00a0 whose component tasks are overwhelmingly disempowering. These jobs tend\u00a0to fragment workers from each other, separate workers from information about decisions, involve workers in rote and repetitive activity, and in all these ways\u00a0 cause a steady decline in workers\u2019 skills, confidence, knowledge of workplace<br \/>\nrelations, and familiarity with making choices. The other 20 percent of the\u00a0 workforce performs jobs whose tasks typically enhance ties to others, increase social skills, provide access to decision contexts, enlarge confidence and knowledge\u00a0of workplace relations, and, in general, empower people to participate in\u00a0and impact decisions.<\/p>\n<p>Parecon\u2019s claim is that the corporate division of labor creates a class division between those who monopolize empowering work, the \u201ccoordinator class,\u201d and\u00a0those who are left with overwhelmingly disempowering work, the working class.\u00a0The coordinators\u2019 position in the economy conveys advantages, up to and including\u00a0ruling class status in \u201ccoordinatorism\u201d (often called 20th century socialism).<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>In addition to\u00a0self-managing councils and equitable remuneration, we need a new division of\u00a0labor called \u201cbalanced job complexes\u201d if we are to have real self-management\u00a0and real classlessness.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When adopted in occupied factories like those in Argentina some years back,\u00a0or in Venezuela now, or in cooperatives all over the world, the corporate division\u00a0of labor leads to 20 percent of the workforce not only setting agendas\u00a0and choosing actions, but eventually reimposing inequitable incomes that ultimately\u00a0lead to ruling class status for themselves. For this reason, in addition to self-managing councils and equitable remuneration, we need a new division of\u00a0labor called \u201cbalanced job complexes\u201d if we are to have real self-management\u00a0and real classlessness.<\/p>\n<p>The fourth feature parecon offers has to do with arriving at an optimal level of workplace and consumer inputs and outputs and their distribution throughout\u00a0the economy. History offers three main choices for such allocation decisions:\u00a0markets, central planning, and voluntary self-regulation.<\/p>\n<p>Markets intrinsically impose antisocial motivations and inequitable remunerative\u00a0 norms as well as vast power differentials and ecological suicide. They violate\u00a0self-management, and elevate a coordinator class above workers.<\/p>\n<p>Central planning intrinsically creates that same class division, and even more obviously\u00a0violates self-management. It also tends to violate ecological preservation and\u00a0accrues excess wealth for the planners (and whole coordinator class) while promoting\u00a0obedience and domination that in turn spread to other areas of life.<\/p>\n<p>Voluntary self-regulation is a wonderful sentiment, but as a method for resource\u00a0 allocation, it typically assumes away important underlying complexities. For people\u00a0to self-regulate in accord with worthy values and real possibilities requires a means\u00a0for people to determine what qualifies as worthy choices regarding both work and\u00a0consumption; a context that makes people\u2019s well-being depend on and enhance\u00a0the well-being of others; and a process that apportions self-managing say to each.\u00a0In fact, parecon\u2019s allocation system is built on the idea of viable, collective self-regulation.\u00a0That is precisely what it delivers, but without assuming away complexities.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Parecon\u2019s alternative to market-based resource allocation is called participatory planning, which is built on the idea of viable, collective self-regulation.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The inclusion of corporate divisions of labor subverts the prior attainment of\u00a0council-based self-management and equitable remuneration by the intrinsic\u00a0class implications the monopolization of empowering work imposes on all actors.\u00a0 Similarly, choosing either markets or central planning subverts the prior attainment\u00a0of council-based self-management, equitable remuneration, and balanced\u00a0job complexes as a result of the psychology, operational behaviors, and ensuing\u00a0class implications these allocation methods impose on all actors.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, parecon needs to propose a self-regulating allocation alternative to both\u00a0 markets and central planning that is compatible with its other three defining \u00a0features. Good allocation requires wise and informed collective self-regulation\u00a0to arrive at optimal levels of economic inputs and outputs that meet needs and\u00a0 develop potential while fostering solidarity, enhancing equity, and enacting\u00a0self-management. It must do so in light of an accurate awareness of the true\u00a0social and ecological costs and benefits of all of our choices.<\/p>\n<p>This is a big list of virtues, but it is what parecon claims to achieve. Parecon\u2019s\u00a0 alternative to market-based, centrally planned, or purely voluntary resource allocation\u00a0is called participatory planning, which is built on the idea of viable, collective\u00a0self-regulation. Workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019 councils present proposals, and\u00a0they implement collective self-management by interactively and cooperatively\u00a0 refining them by negotiating levels of inputs and outputs that are consistent with and depend on the norms of remuneration and balanced job complexes. That is,\u00a0 they collectively self-regulate.<\/p>\n<p>There is no top or bottom. There is no center. It is not a competitive rat race. Solidarity\u00a0is literally produced by the requisites of the process, not antisociality. And yet\u00a0the vision does not assume a population of omniscient and morally saintly people.\u00a0Instead, simple structures enable, facilitate, and make such results the rational, personal,\u00a0and community-serving aim of everyone. That is participatory economics.<\/p>\n<p><em>What follows are answers to the specific questions posed by the Next System Project.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Core Goals of a Parecon System <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Briefly, what are the principal, core goals your model or system seeks to realize?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The model called participatory economics, or parecon, is overwhelmingly about\u00a0 economics. It has just a few guiding values, plus a few specific institutional commitments\u00a0intended to fulfill those values while also accomplishing economic\u00a0functions.<\/p>\n<p>In a nutshell, the values are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>self-management;<\/li>\n<li>solidarity;<\/li>\n<li>diversity;<\/li>\n<li>equity;<\/li>\n<li>classlessness; and<\/li>\n<li>ecological sustainability.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The institutional commitments are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>self-managing workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019 councils;<\/li>\n<li>remuneration for duration, intensity, and onerousness of socially<\/li>\n<li>valued labor;<\/li>\n<li>balanced job complexes; and<\/li>\n<li>participatory planning.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Major Changes<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>What are the principal changes you envision in the current system\u2014the major differences between what you envision and what we have today?<\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Parecon is not only a new type of economy to replace capitalism but is also fundamentally\u00a0different from what have been called \u201cmarket competition\u201d and \u201ccentrally\u00a0planned socialism.\u201d Using capitalism as the current system of reference,\u00a0however, the changes are that:<\/li>\n<li>parecon\u2019s decisions are made in self-managing workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019\u00a0 councils and federations of councils (and not by owners\u00a0or a narrow sector that monopolizes empowering positions);<\/li>\n<li>parecon\u2019s remuneration is for duration, intensity, and onerousness\u00a0of socially valuable labor (and not for property, power, or\u00a0even output);<\/li>\n<li>parecon\u2019s work is organized into what are called \u201cbalanced job\u00a0complexes;\u201d each actor enjoys a mix of responsibilities that ensures\u00a0that everyone has a comparably empowering situation (and\u00a0not organized into a corporate division of labor which has about\u00a020 percent of the workforce monopolizing all empowering tasks);<\/li>\n<li>parecon\u2019s allocation occurs by way of cooperative negotiation by\u00a0workers and consumers, called participatory planning, and not by\u00a0market competition or central planning.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Principal Means<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>What are the principal means (policies, institutions, behaviors, whatever) through\u00a0which each of your core goals is pursued?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The means of winning change are activism that steadily develops more support\u00a0for the values and features in question, creates changes that alleviate current pain\u00a0and suffering, and, in so doing, builds organizational and other means to pursue\u00a0still more gains in the future until attaining the new institutions.<\/p>\n<p>Three brief examples would be:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Fighting for higher wages, a higher minimum wage, or for other gains in existing institutions in the direction of more equitable\u00a0remuneration, but doing so in a manner that raises consciousness of ultimate goals in that area. For parecon, this means doing so in\u00a0a manner that raises awareness of and desires for remuneration\u00a0for duration, intensity, and onerousness of socially valuable labor.<\/li>\n<li>Fighting for workers to have greater say over circumstances individually\u00a0on the job or via their organizations concerning issues\u00a0such as workplace relations, policy, or larger scale matters of allocation\u00a0(say, such as participatory budgeting)\u2014but done in a\u00a0way that raises consciousness of ultimate goals in that area. For\u00a0parecon, that means doing so in a manner that raises awareness of and desires for collective self-management.<\/li>\n<li>Fighting for better conditions at work (even for redefinition of\u00a0jobs to be more fair and more balanced), as well as on-the-job\u00a0training to develop worker potential that is done in a way that\u00a0raises consciousness of the ultimate goals in that area. For parecon,\u00a0this is done in a way that raises awareness of and desires for\u00a0balanced job complexes and classlessness.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>When possible, in addition to fighting for changes in existing relations, another<br \/>\napproach is to immediately implement new projects and institutions in the interstices\u00a0of current society that incorporate the sought aims. This teaches about\u00a0those aims, provides a model for other endeavors, and fights cynicism by demonstrating\u00a0possibility.<\/p>\n<p>Three examples would be:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Setting up a workplace of one or another type\u2014a medical facility,\u00a0 publishing operation, think tank, restaurant, whatever\u2014and,\u00a0within it, implementing the seeds of the future in the present. In\u00a0the case of parecon, that means implementing equitable remuneration,\u00a0self-management, and balanced job complexes.<\/li>\n<li>Setting up consumers\u2019 councils and doing collective consumption\u00a0as well as agitating for new consumption relations.<\/li>\n<li>Even setting up, in some area, a bunch of innovative workplaces\u00a0with self-management, etc.; establishing some nearby consumers\u2019\u00a0councils or communes; and, finally, beginning to cooperatively\u00a0negotiate their mutual relations via a kind of fledgling participatory planning.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Geographic Scope<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>What is the geographic area covered by the model? If the nation-state, specify which ones or what category you address.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>A participatory economy would typically refer to a country, I suppose, but one\u00a0can also imagine a neighborhood or county within a country implementing as\u00a0many elements as possible. On a larger scale, one could imagine a federation of\u00a0countries conducting economic life in participatory economic unison for that\u00a0larger domain, such as Latin America or Europe, say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Temporal Scope<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Recognizing the large uncertainties, if there is a transition to the revised system about\u00a0which you write, what would you suggest as a timeframe for the new system to take\u00a0shape? Where on the spectrum from imminently practicable to purely speculative would\u00a0you place your proposals?<\/p>\n<p>Transition is a muddy concept. What has to be achieved before we say we have\u00a0 fully transitioned to a new system? Is it only that some institutions are in place,\u00a0or even just partially in place, in some parts of a country? Is it that all key institutions\u00a0are fully in place throughout a country? Or does it require that everyone\u00a0is functioning well in the newly established institutions\u2014or even that everyone\u00a0is not only functioning well but has left behind all attitudes and habits from the past system?<\/p>\n<p>It is going to be awhile for even the first achievement in most countries, though\u00a0in some others arguably that condition already exists. It will be quite a long time\u00a0for the second condition to be met, and still longer for the third. Indeed, whatever\u00a0we mean by transition, in any country where movements with real roots in\u00a0broad sectors of the population achieve great power\u2014which could be Venezuela,\u00a0say, or could happen imminently in Greece or Spain, and so on\u2014efforts could be\u00a0made not just by small dissident groups, but by major movements, and even governments.\u00a0In such cases, though there are of course risks, significant institutional\u00a0progress could occur much faster than otherwise.<\/p>\n<p>On the second point, doesn\u2019t everything seek to be practicable? Parecon certainly\u00a0does. And is there anything that is purely speculative, I suppose meaning having\u00a0no roots in experiences? Parecon certainly isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>I believe participatory economics is immediately relevant and could\u2014and for\u00a0some people does\u2014right now impact choices.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I believe participatory economics is immediately relevant and could\u2014and for\u00a0some people does\u2014right now impact choices. How much that can happen, at\u00a0what scale, and regarding what immediate choices is different for different countries.\u00a0If the Bolivarian movement in Venezuela, or Syriza in Greece, or Podemos\u00a0in Spain (and likewise for various other formations) announced support for parecon\u00a0and then sought to educate and facilitate public support for that, their making headway could create a great many changes in accord with parecon, even now.\u00a0They would not be able to usher in the whole system until popular, informed support\u00a0and activism was sufficient both to overcome opposition to implement and\u00a0to sustain the changes, but they would be able to take a great many steps moving\u00a0toward the whole system while, at the same time, growing ever more support for\u00a0the full journey.<\/p>\n<p>Short of that, participatory economics could\u2014and I would say should\u2014inform\u00a0movement choices even in more fledgling contexts. Movements as well as projects\u00a0like publications, web sites, and the like, could, and I think should, as possible\u00a0and in context, attempt to incorporate balanced job complexes and self-management.\u00a0Even just this step would have very profound and far-reaching immediate\u00a0practical implications.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Theory of Change <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>What factors or forces might drive deep change towards the system you envision? What\u00a0is the explicit or implicit theory of change in your work? What is the importance of crises?\u00a0Of social movements? Of available examples of change? What\u2019s the biggest problem\u00a0or impediment for adoption of your model?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The only underlying dynamic I think always operates is a clash between existing\u00a0relations plus the habits and circumstances they impose, and existing desires\u00a0plus the aspirations they unleash. I don\u2019t believe in some kind of \u201cone way fits all\u00a0situations\u201d change that derives from technology, or accumulation, or whatever.\u00a0Change virtually always depends on people who decide they want it and will\u00a0fight for it, and, for that matter, on people who don\u2019t want it and will fight against\u00a0it. Of course, many factors can cause people to want change and to be willing, or\u00a0unwilling, to fight for it, including technological factors, social relations, cultural\u00a0trends, and especially ideas and organizing efforts. And one also strongly expects\u00a0that as struggle for change enlarges, there will be a great many more activists\u00a0involved as protagonists from various oppressed constituencies.<\/p>\n<p>Social crises, technical innovations, even natural disasters and many other factors can contribute to galvanizing people, raising awareness, and generating struggle,\u00a0 but in each case that is far from inevitable. Crises, for example, can also cause people\u00a0to want to escape disruption by going back to a stabilized and familiar past.<\/p>\n<p>Social movements are a potential vehicle of change, of course, though so too are\u00a0 organizations. Likewise, examples of change in the form of actual projects can\u00a0cut through cynicism and provide benefits now, as well as provide lessons for\u00a0 improvements in our understanding of what we are seeking.<\/p>\n<p>The main point, I think, is that strategy and tactics are largely contextual. We\u00a0can say, reasonably, that we favor such and such values or institutions for a new\u00a0 society. But I don\u2019t think we can say we favor this strategy or this tactic and mean\u00a0it essentially universally. We can certainly evaluate strategies and tactics, and in\u00a0some cases make virtually universal claims about aspects of their implications, but\u00a0we cannot say that they will always be warranted, or even always not warranted.<\/p>\n<p>So participatory economics welcomes the idea of economic struggle on behalf\u00a0of working people to unseat owners, to spread empowering tasks, to make fair\u00a0 allocations, to make rational allocations, and to plant the seeds of the future in\u00a0the present. Therefore, it puts a strong onus on tactics and strategy that history \u00a0suggests would not have these effects\u2014particularly the last\u2014while biasing \u00a0strongly toward those that would have these effects.<\/p>\n<p>The biggest obstacles to winning new societies are cynicism as well as confusion\u00a0 among people who could benefit, and, of course, also the opposition of existing\u00a0 structures and habits and of existing elites. I would emphasize the cynicism,\u00a0 myself, as being most pivotal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Specifics: Economy<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Insofar as your work addresses the nature of the economy, how (if at all) do the following\u00a0fit into the future you envision? How are productive assets and businesses owned?\u00a0Does ownership differ at different scales (community, nation, etc.)? Do forms of ownership\u00a0vary by economic sector (banking, manufacturing, health care, etc.)?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In a participatory economy, there is no private ownership of productive assets.\u00a0 Private ownership of productive assets simply does not exist as a category, or role,\u00a0or thing in a participatory economy.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>In a participatory economy, there is no private ownership of productive assets.\u00a0Private ownership of productive assets simply does not exist as a category, or role,\u00a0or thing in a participatory economy.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>How are public and private investment decisions made?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In a participatory economy, public and private investment decisions are made\u00a0via the councils of workers and consumers presenting, comparing, evaluating,\u00a0refining, and settling on choices via the participatory planning process. That is,\u00a0investment decisions are cooperatively negotiated, as are all economic allocation\u00a0choices, albeit typically involving larger councils and federations of councils as\u00a0primary actors.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is the role of private profit and the profit motive? Who owns and controls economic\u00a0surplus?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In a participatory economy there is no private profit and there is no profit motive.\u00a0 These are simply gone.<\/p>\n<p>There is no reason to refer to an economic surplus, either, though I suppose one\u00a0c ould be defined. The point is, there is a social product\u2014the total output of the\u00a0 economy\u2014and people have claims on it via their income, which is in turn proportional\u00a0to the duration, intensity, and onerousness of the socially valued labor\u00a0they do.<\/p>\n<p>In capitalism, a very large part of the economic product goes to people called\u00a0 owners as profits. Some of it also goes to broad production projects affecting\u00a0 nearly everyone\u2014but those who are stronger benefit more. The rest of the product,\u00a0after profit, large scale investment, and public goods are accounted, goes to\u00a0all others, but overwhelmingly in proportion to their bargaining power, which is\u00a0in turn affected by many factors such as unionization, monopolies on skills and information, racism, and sexism, etc.<\/p>\n<p>If we switch to a participatory economy, there is still an overall social product\u2014though now its composition changes very greatly from what it would be with capitalist (profit-driven) relations. Likewise, in a participatory economy each person gets an amount of the social product based on their duration, intensity,\u00a0and onerousness of socially valued labor. Property and power play no role.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is the role of the market for goods and services? For employment? Other?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>There are no markets in a participatory economy. People do not buy cheap and\u00a0sell dear at prices set by the clash and jangle of bargaining power. They do not compete for market share. They do not trample others in a rat race. They do not manipulate others, ignore others, nor exploit others. All this is gone.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is the role of planning in your model? How is it structured? How, if at all, made\u00a0democratic?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In parecon, participatory planning is the mechanism of allocation. It occurs by\u00a0workers\u2019 and consumers\u2019 councils negotiating economic inputs and outputs. All\u00a0actors have a say proportionate to the effect of outcomes on them relative to\u00a0effect on others. It is not merely democratic, but self-managing.\u00a0There is no center, no periphery, no top, no bottom. The main image to have is\u00a0that of individuals and their councils proposing what they want\u2014for work and\u00a0for consumption\u2014and then comparing and refining in light of new information,\u00a0for a number of rounds of massage, so to speak, until arriving at a workable and desirable plan. Of course, there are various tools and mechanisms employed, but\u00a0that image is arguably the heart of the matter.<\/p>\n<p><em>How are the international economy and economic integration handled?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If some or many countries are still capitalist, but one or a few are participatory\u00a0 economic, then one can guess that the parecon countries would enter into agreements\u00a0with others with the aim of ensuring that the exchanges return the bulk of\u00a0the benefit to the less well-off participants, so the transactions benefit all while\u00a0 steadily reducing global inequalities.<\/p>\n<p>One way to do this would be for the participatory economies to engage with \u00a0capitalist ones at market prices if those (quite rarely) did convey more benefit of\u00a0transacting to the weaker economy, or, to engage at the valuations participatory\u00a0planning delivers, when that is more in the interests of the weaker party.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do you address economic localization, globalization, decentralization, \u2018glocalization,\u2019\u00a0and similar issues? Where is the primary locus of economic life?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>We want an economy which determines things like scale, mutual connections of\u00a0dependence and independence, content, and level of trade or self-reliance, etc., all\u00a0in accord with people\u2019s self-managing wishes. This should occur while preserving\u00a0and even expanding solidarity, diversity, equity, and self-management, without\u00a0classes, and with using the best available assessments of personal, social, and environmental\u00a0implications for those immediately involved and for all others as well.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>We want an economy which determines things like scale, mutual connections of\u00a0dependence and independence, content, and level of trade or self-reliance, etc., all\u00a0in accord with people\u2019s self-managing wishes.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This means there are no single answers to such questions. We don\u2019t decide in\u00a0advance for all cases that there should always be separate self-sufficient entities or\u00a0that there should always be larger or smaller workplaces, what kinds of materials\u00a0should be used, what products should be made, and so on. Instead, we want institutions\u00a0that can and will arrive at good decisions in all such matters\u2014sometimes\u00a0this will mean one way, sometimes another way, as specific conditions warrant.<\/p>\n<p>Suppose in a good economy there is a desire for lots of bicycles. Okay, now we might wonder, should this economy produce bicycles in every little town and locale,\u00a0or should it produce them, in, say, two, five, or ten very large production units?<\/p>\n<p>Some would argue that we know it ought to be the former because in that case\u00a0the bicycles are made very near to their users and so don\u2019t have to be shipped all\u00a0over the country from a few origin points. This is deemed ecologically so good\u00a0that we can just say, even now, that this is what must happen.<\/p>\n<p>Others will say, however, that having the large units is quite obviously best, and\u00a0 should happen, because such units will enjoy massive economies of scale that will\u00a0make each hour of work much more productive of bicycles, thereby saving labor.<\/p>\n<p>A few others, and I would hope all advocates of participatory economics, might add: \u201cWait, it is true that local production of the bicycles will mean their final destination\u00a0is right near where they are produced, but it will also mean the resources\u00a0for producing them at local sites will have to be shipped to all the firms assembling\u00a0them. What if the fewer production units were right near those resources?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Many things matter, in other words, not just one or two. For example, what will\u00a0be the impact of a large or small plant on the work life of those in it\u2014not a large\u00a0or small hierarchical, alienating, authoritarian plant, but a large or small parecon-ish one? Similarly, what will be the impact of having to ship not bicycles all\u00a0over, but the resources that small dispersed plants will have to receive to assemble bicycles\u2014steel, rubber, whatever? Or even, what will be the ecological footprint\u00a0of the workplaces\u2014will the small ones have the same total waste, or excess, or\u00a0less, then large ones? More, will it be easier or harder to deal properly with the\u00a0waste in the small or large units\u2014 remembering that the large ones are no less\u00a0inclined to deal, and even be better able to do so?<\/p>\n<p>The point is that what ultimately makes best sense depends on a great many factors\u00a0and not just one or two that someone chooses to highlight while ignoring the rest, usually due to having got caught up in the importance of a few. And\u00a0so what is needed is not to try to guess in advance what makes sense and then\u00a0impose that guess on the future, but to have institutions that can reveal all the\u00a0factors involved and facilitate assessing them wisely and then deciding in light of\u00a0full information and implications, what to do, case by case. And that is precisely\u00a0what participatory economy claims to provide.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do economic competition and cooperation play out?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>There is no economic competition for income, none for market share, none for\u00a0power, etc. These dynamics are simply gone.<\/p>\n<p>More, you can\u2019t benefit by competing, even if you were greedy and wanted to;\u00a0 participatory economics doesn\u2019t include such options.<\/p>\n<p>Cooperation is present and dominant in allocation, in workplaces, in neighborhoods,\u00a0and between all these as well. Not due to magic but because it best benefits\u00a0all involved. Cooperation is the way to advance self, even if you are antisocial\u00a0and don\u2019t care about others. In that respect, a participatory economy propels solidarity\u00a0in contrast to a market system that propels egocentrism and antisociality.<\/p>\n<p>Here is one example. Suppose I want more income\u2014for some expensive hobby or\u00a0whatever. I can\u2019t get that by any form of competition. I have only two routes to it.\u00a0The first is to arrange to work longer, harder, or doing some onerous tasks, beyond\u00a0my usual workload. Or, second, I can urge that the entire social product grows to\u00a0the point of meeting my hobby desires while I am still getting the same percentage.\u00a0This second path means, essentially, getting the whole economy, the populace, to\u00a0opt for more. In both cases my task involves dialoging, not competing.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do commodification, commercialization, and the commons surface in your analysis?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Nothing is a commodity in the pejorative sense in a participatory economy. Similarly,\u00a0nothing is commercial in the sense of seeking advantage for a few. Producers\u00a0have no motive, for example, to try to sell stuff to people other than what the\u00a0people really, and wisely, and with honest and accurate information, believe will\u00a0benefit them. You don\u2019t want to be producing stuff that people don\u2019t benefit from.\u00a0For instance, there is no point whatsoever in manipulative advertising.<\/p>\n<p>If we mean by \u201cthe commons\u201d public goods, they may be provided free to all\u00a0(meaning that if there are costs, everyone shares the costs because everyone encounters fewer private goods due to allocating resources to the free ones)\u2014or\u00a0they may have prices paid by their beneficiaries who are in some limited area or\u00a0otherwise enjoying the benefits that others do not.<\/p>\n<p><em>How is private property handled in your analysis?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Personal property is private in the usual sense. But there is no private ownership\u00a0of productive assets. That is simply gone.<\/p>\n<p><em>What mix of business enterprise sizes do you envision?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Some production it makes sense to do in small units. Some production in large ones. This is true for social and ecological reasons, but contrary to what many\u00a0on the left think, with a classless economy of the parecon sort, even ecological\u00a0reasons could well favor a larger rather than smaller scale for some, but not all\u00a0projects, as noted in an earlier answer.<\/p>\n<p>How do you envision the future of the large corporation and what specific measures do\u00a0you envision for corporate governance and control, internal and external?\u00a0There are no corporations in a participatory economy. There are workplaces,\u00a0industries, etc.<\/p>\n<p>Workplaces of all sizes are governed by their workers\u2019 council\u2019s decision-making\u00a0processes in the context of participatory planning agreements.\u00a0Self-management operates not only because self-managing councils exist, but\u00a0also because all participants enjoy economic responsibilities that prepare them to participate comparably to all other participants in those councils\u2014and indeed,<br \/>\nthis is the purpose of balanced job complexes.<\/p>\n<p><em>What role do you see for innovative corporate forms, coops, public enterprise, social\u00a0enterprise, and public-private hybrids?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>None of this has an obvious meaning in a fully developed participatory economy because all firms in such an economy would share the basic defining features,\u00a0 though of course also have many specific differences beyond those commonalities.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>It is hard to imagine any reason why there would be, in a well-established participatory\u00a0economy, some firms that were privately owned or state owned, etc.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It is hard to imagine any reason why there would be, in a well-established participatory\u00a0economy, some firms that were privately owned or state owned, etc. They\u00a0would not have benefits for anyone beyond the private owners at the expense of\u00a0others, and that would not be agreed to by all those others. The same goes for\u00a0some firms employing corporate divisions of labor, say.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, different firms, in different places or different times, or producing\u00a0different things, or with different workforce backgrounds and priorities,\u00a0 would certainly opt for different features in their work relations and methods,\u00a0even bearing on how they create their balanced job complexes, conduct their\u00a0meetings, determine their schedules, and establish their holidays. So participatory\u00a0economic firms differ, but not in the ways mentioned.<\/p>\n<p>For example, there is no public\/private divide because all firms are social and public\u00a0as well as involving their own immediate employees. All firms are cooperative\u00a0in the sense of a workforce making self-managed decisions and, as well, enjoying\u00a0equitable income and balanced work roles, which goes well beyond what most\u00a0people currently mean by cooperatives.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is the evolution of the workweek (hours worked, say, per year)?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This is a decision for future citizens, freed to make choices, to decide as they will.\u00a0I would imagine, however, if pressed for a guess, that there will be an average,\u00a0very typical of workplaces, but that people will freely diverge from that, up or\u00a0down, due to preferring more leisure and less income, or more income and less\u00a0leisure. (Note: if everyone wants to work more than the current average, because\u00a0they want more goods and services, then the average hours per workweek will rise. \u00a0And, vice versa, if everyone wants less work, because they want fewer goods\u00a0and services, then the average hours per workweek will drop.) In any event, in a participatory economy there is zero pressure to accumulate, accumulate.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is the envisioned future of organized labor?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In a well-established parecon, all who work are workers and none who work are\u00a0in a higher coordinator class. All have the same norms applying to them, with\u00a0only equitable ways to receive more or less income. In that context, with the system\u00a0 fully established, it is not obvious, at least to me, what a union would provide\u00a0that a workers\u2019 council doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>There is no class outside workers, no authority outside workers that a union could\u00a0confront. No one to demand something from. But, if there is some reason for\u00a0unions in an established parecon that I am not seeing, then presumably they\u00a0would exist just as a political party might exist, or even a movement backing\u00a0some innovation\u2014where I should note that I think each of these certainly would\u00a0exist.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, on the way to achieving a participatory economy, of course\u00a0unions could, and hopefully will, play a profoundly important role by seeking\u00a0gains going in that direction and, in essence, arguing, urging, and struggling for\u00a0working-class control.<\/p>\n<p><em>What are the roles of economic growth and GDP as a measure of growth in your system?\u00a0What is the priority of growth at the national and company levels?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>There is zero pressure for growth per se from parecon\u2019s institutions. No firm is trying\u00a0to produce and distribute as much as it can for purposes of gain. Instead, they\u00a0produce only an amount consistent with desires for the product while accounting\u00a0for the costs to workers, communities, the environment, etc. The only pressure for\u00a0output, much less for a growth of output, is people\u2019s desires for the content of any\u00a0added output.<\/p>\n<p>The overall gross amount produced is relevant in a parecon because it determines\u00a0the pool of social product which people\u2019s income gives them a share of. But\u00a0wanting output per se, in a parecon, has no positive purpose. And thus wanting\u00a0growth per se, has no positive purpose. What one wants, or not, is specific stuff\u00a0one benefits from, leisure, and a fulfilling environment and\u00a0circumstances.<\/p>\n<p><em>How is money created and allocated?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Income, which is determined by duration, intensity, and onerousness of socially\u00a0valued labor, is a claim on output. It establishes a person\u2019s budget from which they\u00a0apportion parts to pay for various goods and services. Money is just an accounting\u00a0placeholder to facilitate keeping track, so that consumption and production\u00a0are equitable.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Specifics: Society<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>How do you envision the future course of income and wealth inequality? What factors\u00a0affect these results? How do you envision the future course of economic poverty? What\u00a0factors affect these results?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In a participatory economy, the variation in income among people is easy to\u00a0describe. Those who can\u2019t work for health reasons get the social average income\u00a0plus what they need for medical or any other issues, etc. Those who can work get\u00a0a share of the social product in accord with the duration, intensity, and onerousness\u00a0of their socially valued labor, plus medical benefits, etc.<\/p>\n<p>All public goods that society decides to provide to the whole population, for\u00a0example medicine or education, simply reduce the amount of specific stuff that\u00a0each actor has available for personal consumption. Using a factory or whatever\u00a0else to produce a public good means it is not producing private goods.\u00a0Thus, the bottom line is that one person having more income than another would occur in a participatory economy only due to choices by each of them, in context\u00a0of their workplaces, to work longer or less long, harder or less hard. What\u00a0is equilibrated is, in the end, the social value, so to speak, of the leisure\/work or\u00a0leisure\/income package each person enjoys.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>All public goods that society decides to provide to the whole population, for\u00a0example medicine or education, simply reduce the amount of specific stuff that\u00a0each actor has available for personal consumption.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Are special measures envisioned to protect and enhance children and families? To\u00a0advance the underprivileged? To promote care-giving and mutual responsibility?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Children would get some income level agreed to socially. For the sake of discussion\u00a0it would presumably be average, or a bit more or less, depending as society judged\u00a0the needs of children and their parents. The specifics are decisions for the future.<\/p>\n<p>There are no underprivileged in a participatory economy since everyone has\u00a0exactly the same privileges as everyone else. There would be sick people who are\u00a0unable to work, and presumably they would simply receive a full average income,\u00a0plus medical benefits, simply on the grounds of being human.<\/p>\n<p>Economics is not remotely all of life, and other key spheres of living will also\u00a0alter, no doubt, not least so each can operate well in context of the rest.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do racial, ethnic, and religious justice figure in your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Participatory economics is understood by its advocates to be a vision for only one part\u00a0of a desirable society. Still, even just with participatory economics in place, there could\u00a0be no major racial, ethnic, or religious injustice because there are simply no ways for\u00a0one group to exploit another. You couldn\u2019t have, say, a group denied balanced job complexes\u00a0because everybody has one; nor could a group be subjected to control because\u00a0everyone has self-managing influence; nor could a group lack income because all\u00a0get income according to the same norm, and so on. Attitudes could be bad, but the\u00a0material benefits, daily circumstance, and level of say within a well-established participatory\u00a0economy could not be. If racism was able to impose such inequities, then it\u00a0would be overcoming participatory economics and, indeed, destroying it.<\/p>\n<p>Put differently, if a society that was aggressively and pervasively racist, say, was\u00a0transforming toward a parecon, the changes would create economic structures\u00a0that were out of alignment with continued cultural and other relations that were\u00a0still pervaded by racism. There would be a tension, in that case. One or the other\u00a0would have to change, most likely. The racist pressures would change the economy,\u00a0or vice versa\u2014equitable relations in the economy would change cultural\u00a0institutions. But, that dynamic relation which could go either way aside, I don\u2019t know any advocates of participatory economics who wouldn\u2019t also want to see\u00a0what we might call intercommunalism, or participatory culture: new racial, ethnic,\u00a0and religious relations that were free of injustice.<\/p>\n<p>Without belaboring the point: self-management means a religious, ethnic, or\u00a0racial constituency cannot be subjected to decisions by some larger constituency\u00a0which treats them adversely. So the role of these horrible phenomena in trying to\u00a0win a better society is that we should create a vision bearing on these sides of life\u00a0and not just on an economy; we should work to ensure that the economic vision\u00a0and the cultural and community visions are compatible and mutually supportive,\u00a0rather than in contradiction; and finally, we should pursue them all without prioritizing\u00a0any one above others.<\/p>\n<p><em>What role do gender and gender issues play in your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The answer is analogous to what is outlined directly above for race, even though\u00a0the specifics are different.\u00a0Even just with participatory economics in place, there could be no major gender-specific economic injustice because there are simply no ways for one group\u00a0to economically exploit any other. You couldn\u2019t have, say, women (or members of\u00a0the LGBTQ community, or any group at all), denied balanced job complexes or\u00a0subjected to control or lacking income, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>If a society that was aggressively and pervasively sexist, say, was transforming\u00a0 toward being a parecon, the changes would create economic structures that were\u00a0out of alignment with gender and other relations that were still pervaded by sexism.\u00a0There would be a tension. One or the other would have to change. But, that\u00a0aside, I don\u2019t know any advocates of participatory economics who wouldn\u2019t say\u00a0they also want to see what we might call participatory kinship: new institutions in familial, sexual, procreative, nurturance, and other relations that were free of\u00a0injustice and truly liberating.<\/p>\n<p>As with cultural hierarchy, the role of fighting sexism in the process of seeking better\u00a0societies is that we should create a vision bearing on this side of life and not just\u00a0on economics; we should work to ensure that the economic vision and the gender\u00a0or kinship vision are compatible and mutually supportive, rather than in contradiction;\u00a0and then we should pursue them all without prioritizing any one above others.<\/p>\n<p><em>What, specifically, is the role of community in your model? What measures and factors\u00a0affect community health, wealth (\u201csocial capital\u201d), and solidarity, and how central are\u00a0local life, neighborhoods, towns and cities?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Community means, I take it from the question, groups in proximity or sharing\u00a0 some identity that causes them to see one another as alike in some sense. The\u00a0 private incomes of members, the collective goods and services they all enjoy, and\u00a0their relations with other communities would all bear on what impacts their conditions,\u00a0of course. In parecon, this is all a matter of self-managing choice.\u00a0Some people, I suppose, will be very much involved with a community, others\u00a0may be a lot less so. A good society would not legislate such matters, so there is\u00a0no reason to guess that there would be anything other than a myriad of choices.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you envision a change of values, culture, and consciousness as important to the evolution\u00a0of a new system? If so, how do these changes occur?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The values of self-management, solidarity, equity, diversity, classlessness, and ecological\u00a0balance are important in guiding the definition of parecon and to people\u00a0seeking it.<\/p>\n<p>How do people change their values? Largely through understanding the merits\u00a0and debits of different ones, but also through experiencing them in action.<\/p>\n<p><em>What are the roles of the consumer, consumerism, and advertising in the system you envision? Self-provisioning? Sharing, renting, and bartering?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The consumer\u2019s role is to participate in participatory planning, and then, based on his or her income, enjoy the things he or she has chosen to have from the social product. If consumerism means becoming so enmeshed in consuming that one does it simply to do it, that won\u2019t exist. Why would it?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>If consumerism means becoming so enmeshed in consuming that one does it simply to do it, that won\u2019t exist. Why would it?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Conveying information about products will exist in a parecon. But there will be no desire to have people get one\u2019s products other than that the people doing so would truly benefit. One doesn\u2019t want to spend time producing stuff people buy but don\u2019t use.<\/p>\n<p>In current capitalist societies, the volume of stuff that is produced and bought yet conveys no pleasure or other benefit is enormous. One estimate, for example, is that about 40 percent of all food produced is wasted. This too loses all logic in a parecon, whereas in capitalism it has a very clear logic, with profits and various factors pushing it.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do \u201cleisure\u201d activities\u2014including volunteering, care-giving, continuing learning\u2014figure in your work?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If the activity is work done in context of a workers\u2019 council and which generates a social product that others benefit from, it would be remunerated. If it isn\u2019t, or if one doesn\u2019t want income for it, that is okay too, I would think.<\/p>\n<p>However, suppose I spend a bunch of time making my living unit nicer for myself and my family. Is that work which warrants remuneration? I guess different participatory economies could decide this matter differently, but for myself, I think it won\u2019t be deemed work that can be remunerated.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, even if homes became part of a \u201chome life\u201d industry that had workers\u2019 councils and balanced job complexes and so on\u2014which I don\u2019t think will occur or would be good\u2014I still don\u2019t think this type of activity done by me in my home (or by you in your home) would be considered work deserving remuneration. Here is why: I do the work. I am the beneficiary of it (or my family is). I am not really adding to the social product things that others want and can benefit from.<\/p>\n<p>Think of it this way: when I work producing bicycles and get paid for that, I don\u2019t get to walk off with all the bicycles I put together. When I make my living room nicer, if I get income for that, then I would get the income and also the product.<\/p>\n<p>And this has literally nothing to do with housework per se. Suppose a few friends and I create a little firm which produces things which my friends and I keep. This is not contributing to the social product things that others sought via participatory planning, either, and so it isn\u2019t remunerable.<\/p>\n<p>Caregiving, meaning being a nurse, say, or anything like that, is a role in the economy and certainly remunerable. Education, meaning teaching, is similar. Suppose, however, that I decide I want to learn Chinese, or I want to learn about cosmology, so I would like to take off from my usual job, stay home, and pursue these interests. It is fine to do, but not for income. Learning skills for work is different, and could certainly be remunerated, though I suppose a society might conceivably decide otherwise, though I doubt that any would.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Specifics: Environment<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>In your work: If your system addresses environmental concerns, how do you conceptualize \u201cthe environment\u201d? Do you envision the economy as nested in and dependent on the world of nature and its systems of life?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Participatory economics addresses the environment because the impact of our activities on the environment must of course inform what we do and how we do it. Just as personal and social costs and benefits go into assessing economic actions, so must their impact on the environment enter into such assessments.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Participatory economics addresses the environment because the impact of our activities on the environment must of course inform what we do and how we do it.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Do you address a rights-based environmentalism (e.g. right to clean water) and the idea that nature has legal rights? Do we have duties to other species and living systems? Are any of your goals non-anthropocentric?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Participatory economics can certainly incorporate non-anthropocentric concerns and requirements, but, no, they are not intrinsic to it. Rights of people to clean water, in contrast, are intrinsic to participatory economics.<\/p>\n<p>For myself, I think, as the question implies, there are two levels of approach to the environment. The first is to care about it and account for it in terms of environmental impacts on people. This approach is intrinsic to participatory economics. Alternatively, we could also have in mind what one might call \u201crights of nature.\u201d The most extreme version of this might say, for example, as I once heard an activist put it, that mountains have a right to be mountains and therefore we have no right removing one. A less extreme version would accord rights to living things, perhaps to some more than others.<\/p>\n<p>Parecon can work at either level. Assessing choices in terms of environmental impact that affects people is intrinsic to it. Assessing choices on grounds of environmental impact on mountains, or even other living things but not people, would require laws limiting participatory planning results. There is no problem choosing to have these.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you envision addressing environmental issues outside the current framework of environmental approaches and policies (e.g. by challenging consumerism, GDP growth, etc.)?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Participatory economics does all that, intrinsically. It doesn\u2019t require laws or other external intervention for those purposes.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do you handle environment-economy interactions, trade-offs, and interdependencies?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Environmental costs and benefits are part of economic accounting and deciding, no different in that sense than social and personal costs and benefits.<\/p>\n<p><em>How do you address transnational and global-scale environmental challenges?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Same answer, though if there are non-participatory economies, then, like now, there would need to be laws, etc. Even in participatory economics, there could be a place for such constraints.<\/p>\n<p><em>Does your work explore the links between large-scale environmental challenges (like climate change) and other economic and political issues?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Parecon provides a set of economic institutions in which all such matters can and will be addressed as people decide on their various pursuits. This in no way precludes a political system of the future such as a participatory polity having laws and mechanisms bearing on such matters as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Specifics: Polity<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>To what degree would your proposed model require Constitutional change? What specifically might be required or recommended?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Any two main spheres of social life can be usefully viewed as each a bit like a very powerful school. That is, an economy, a polity, and other spheres of life have roles and behavior patterns and modes of thought which people enact and repeat, and, in so doing, people develop certain capacities, expectations, and habits What we become, so to speak, to operate well in any one main defining sphere of life needs to not conflict with what we need to be doing to operate well in others.<\/p>\n<p>The point is, different spheres of social life that have profound impacts on who we are, on what we can do, on what we expect and want, can\u2019t impact us so that we have contradictory inclinations to what some other sphere of life needs. With an economy that effectively schools citizens in participation, self-management, and solidarity, you can\u2019t have a polity that denies all that. Or, better said, if you do have a polity that denies all that, the situation will be unstable. Either the economy will lose its virtues or the polity will change to have them.<\/p>\n<p>Beyond that, the answer to your question is that every advocate of parecon I know also favors parpolity, which is described, itself, in various other presentations.<\/p>\n<p><em>Does your model have anything to say about liberty and how it may or may not relate to the design of your model? And how, specifically, is liberty nurtured and protected? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Some might mean by liberty something like people can do whatever they want, and anything that impedes that impedes liberty. I think that is a horrible conception. I would say something more like: I should be free to do what I want so long as this doesn\u2019t extend to me being free to do things that curtail your equal freedom. Each person\u2019s liberty ends, so to speak, where each other person\u2019s begins. This is self-management.<\/p>\n<p><em>How does your model address questions of political and institutional power? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Institutions are essentially just conglomerations of roles. They are social relations, habits, and rules\u2014patterns of behavior defined by the various roles that compose them. The only power that an institution should have, then, should be its role definitions, and those, parecon\u2014and parpolity\u2014take hugely seriously precisely from the point of view of guaranteeing self-management, etc.<\/p>\n<p><em>How does your model deal with problems of scale? How much decentralization does it include for large systems? How would decentralization be structured?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>People make choices about what to do and how to do it. These occur in councils, with self-management, with assessments of implications for self, for others, for the environment, etc. The amount of decentralization depends on what best meets needs and develops potentials, not on some <em>a priori<\/em> belief that small is always good, or for that matter, that small is always bad.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>The amount of decentralization depends on what best meets needs and develops potentials, not on some a priori belief that small is always good, or for that matter, that small is always bad.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Does your work address issues of foreign policy, international relations, regional integration, military policy and spending, war and peace, i.e. the international context of the new system? If so, how?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Does capitalism directly say anything about any of that? Actually, not explicitly. But capitalist relations have huge implications for all of that because they propel imperialism and colonialism, enable war spending as a tool and for profits, fail to empower working people, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>Parecon has no rule or structure in it that is explicitly about these matters. Yet it would have profound effects, we can easily predict, due to removing the pressures of capitalism and instead pushing mindsets and habits in the opposite direction, toward peace, mutual aid, etc.<\/p>\n<p><em>At different political levels, what polity and what political conditions are implicit or explicit in getting to success?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Parecon advocates for, favors, and would benefit from what is called participatory politics or parpolity.<\/p>\n<p>There is an ongoing critique of representative government and exploration of direct, \u201cstrong,\u201d and deliberative democracy. Does any of this figure in your framework? If so, how? It figures greatly in parpolity, which you can quite reasonably think of as a political system motivated by the same deep desires as parecon and consistent with parecon.<\/p>\n<p><em>Milton Friedman, among others, believed that only a crisis produced real change. Another old expression is that \u201cgood government is just the same old government in a helluva fright.\u201d Do you examine crisis-driven political change and crisis preparedness? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Not per se, no. And I don\u2019t remotely buy it, either. This was dealt with earlier.<\/p>\n<p><em>How central is government in the future you envision, both in getting there and staying there?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I think it is an essential part of social life\u2014and done well, a real benefit for people and communities. Done poorly, it can be horrendous, of course.<\/p>\n<p>As far as getting there, I do not think there is one path to better societies. I do think there are paths that would involves quite a lot of focus on government, including winning steadily more influence in it and using that influence to propel changes throughout society consistent with a better society including (but certainly not only) changes leading toward participatory economy.<\/p>\n<p><em>In the system you write about, what are the appropriate levels of government expenditure or government as a share of the economy and how are these levels achieved?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>What we call now government spending is overwhelmingly for public or collective goods, or for subsidizing private production for profit. Whereas now this is the purview of government, in a participatory economy it becomes just another part of the overall economic process, albeit the workforce for some parts (say, a center for disease control or a post office, or a school system) may be more an aspect of, and derive from, the political system than it is a matter of people simply creating a workplace to generate a product.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you envision social movements as important in driving political change and action? If so, can you elaborate on how this happens? <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Social movements are a manifestation of political action and desire for current changes. And unless they have very short timelines, they also seek to further their influence into the future by raising consciousness in ever-wider circles of people\u00a0and members and by creating vehicles, movements, and organizations for manifesting pressure from those people.<\/p>\n<p>The way such pressure works is that elites want to maintain some policy or prevent some other policy. Movements want to curtail the first or enact the second. Movements demand what they seek. Elites ignore them or at best say no. Elites hold the levers of power (when they don\u2019t, movements can just do what they intend). Okay, so movements have to try to get elites to do what they do not want to do. The method is that movements say to elites, \u201cDo what we want or, if you do not, you will pay a price.\u201d Then movements try to raise that price high enough that elites finally give in.<\/p>\n<p>What constitutes a cost is typically a plausible threat of further opposition, including branching out to attack more elite commitments, creating a work stoppage that cuts into profits, etc. When pressure becomes great enough, the losses elites fear are greater than the advantages they are seeking to defend, and at that point elites give in.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Real-World Examples, Experiments and Models<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Are there specific real-world examples or experiments you can point to that embody your model or system or exemplify important elements of your approach?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>We can think of two kinds of experimental efforts that would bear on any visionary model.<\/p>\n<p>One kind would literally subscribe to the viewpoint. So in the case of parecon, this would be projects that believe in participatory economics and, since they operate in current circumstances, that embody as much as they are able to. They would see themselves as testing and trying to learn about and also evidencing the worth of the features they are embodying.<\/p>\n<p>The second kind of effort would be ones where participants haven\u2019t even heard of a particular visionary model, or at least haven\u2019t self-consciously subscribed to it, but, nonetheless, are involved in choices that implement aspects or even whole parts of the vision.<\/p>\n<p>Of the first type, yes, there are various projects\u2014small, typically for want of assets and support\u2014that embody equitable remuneration, council-based self-management, and, in some cases, also balanced job complexes. It is an odd feature of modern mentalities, and of inadequacy of my own connections as well, that I don\u2019t know about lots of these. I will get an email, every so often, telling me of some effort. I will write back and urge them to tell their story. That rarely, if ever, happens. Perhaps they try, perhaps they don\u2019t, I don\u2019t even know. These are sometimes medical offices or publishing operations or local cooperatives, etc.<\/p>\n<p>The other sort of endeavor is very widespread. So, consider any cooperative or workplace that tries for equitable incomes for members or for pervasive democracy, which often turns out to be very close to self-management. Or, consider consumer federations, or councils, or cooperatives. On a larger scale consider, for example, efforts to democratize government budget processes, or Venezuela\u2019s councils and negotiated allocation in local areas. One can go on.<\/p>\n<p>What is true but not widely realized is that actions, projects, campaigns, and so on are almost all experiments that bear on at least some issues relevant to participatory economics. And, for that matter, on other economic and social visions as well, supposing one asks pertinent questions of them and then follows up on those.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Typical socialist models that preserve markets and\/or central planning diverge from participatory economics in such a pivotal way that, while one can learn from them, of course, I can\u2019t say I feel close to them.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Are there other models that you see yourself aligned with or close to yours?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Typical socialist models that preserve markets and\/or central planning diverge from participatory economics in such a pivotal way that, while one can learn from them, of course, I can\u2019t say I feel close to them. On the other hand, efforts that are less comprehensive and often even lack important elements that those flawed approaches nonetheless have (for example, solidarity economics, cooperative movements, participatory budgeting, workers\u2019 control efforts, or even just efforts to win dignity and better circumstances for workers), some of which are somewhat visionary but some of which don\u2019t even try to be, I do feel close to. I would imagine every advocate of participatory economics would.<\/p>\n<p>The difference is, ironically, this: although I will agree with, say, an advocate of market socialism or centrally planned socialism about many matters of the day, we disagree fundamentally about the ultimate aim of activism. With the other endeavors I would also likely agree on matters of the day often, though in some cases not as often as with the market or central planning socialist. But on matters of ultimate aims, I think we share values, and the reason we don\u2019t share institutional commitments as well is merely that those other groups don\u2019t yet have long run institutional commitments, not that they have contrary ones.<\/p>\n<p>________________________________________<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Michael-Albert.jpg\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-82608\" src=\"https:\/\/www.transcend.org\/tms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Michael-Albert.jpg\" alt=\"michael-albert\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a>Michael Albert is a sixties activist and founder of <\/em>South End Press, Z Magazine,\u00a0<em>and<\/em> ZNet\/ZCommunications<em>, among other projects (such as the online school\u00a0World Institute for Social Change, or WISC, and activist organization, International\u00a0Organization for a Participatory Society, or IOPS). Albert is also author of\u00a0over twenty books and hundreds of articles, and has spoken in countries around\u00a0the world. He is co-author, and advocate, with Robin Hahnel, of the economic\u00a0vision <\/em>Participatory Economics<em>, and the social vision, <\/em>Participatory Society<em>. In\u00a0addition to books on economic and social vision and strategy, he has written a\u00a0memoir called <\/em>Remembering Tomorrow<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/thenextsystem.org\/whats-next-parecon-participatory-economics\/\" >Go to Original \u2013 thenextsytem.org<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>People now fighting economic injustice have no right to decide how future people should live. But we do have a responsibility to provide an institutional setting that facilitates future people deciding for themselves what their own conditions of life and work should be. 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